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Re:Kimi K3 is now live by smallerize on Thursday July 16, 2026 @12:06PM (#48936429)
How did "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" turn into 95 tokens?
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by simonw on Thursday July 16, 2026 @12:09PM (#48936461)
That's a great question.

I just tried "hi" through the same OpenRouter API and the input token count for that was 86 - and for "hi there" the count was 87.

I think there's an 85 token hidden system prompt of some sort.

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Re:Kimi K3 is now live by Retr0id on Thursday July 16, 2026 @01:31PM (#48937582)
Perhaps the 85 tokens only account for a mutable suffix e.g. date/time/location, with a longer but more cacheable prefix being unbilled.
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by simonw on Thursday July 16, 2026 @05:20PM (#48940396)
I tried asking it "what time is it?" and got back:

> I don't have access to real-time information, so I can't tell you the current time. Your device's clock (on your phone, computer, or watch) will show you the accurate time for your location.

> Is there something else I can help you with?

Re:Kimi K3 is now live by SwellJoe on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:42PM (#48941260)
Oh, she's sassy.
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by ignoramous on Thursday July 16, 2026 @07:55PM (#48941823)
K3 seems confident. A conversation on # of r's in "strawberrry" shared on r/Kimi: https://www.kimi.com/share/19f6c551-c582-8731-8000-0000a8b2f... / https://archive.vn/lTVTR
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by SwellJoe on Thursday July 16, 2026 @08:11PM (#48941937)
I think that's probably a good thing. Sycophancy seems to be correlated with AI psychosis. GPT 4o was creepy sycophantic and has a body count. It'll be good for chatbots to be more interested in facts than in agreeing. (Then again, I found Qwen 3.6 to be strident in its lies about Uyghurs in China, among other "sensitive" topics, parroting the party line and getting almost hostile when told to search the web for current information.)
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by ouraf on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:23PM (#48941064)
Passive aggressive is an understatement. Why did it focuses on summarizing its sexual content guidelines before anything else?

I know the machine can't judge the user or browbeat them into changing subject, but the reply is a bit unsettling.

Re:Kimi K3 is now live by jfoster on Friday July 17, 2026 @05:27AM (#48945123)
Could multiple Chinese characters be counted as a single token?
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by rhdunn on Friday July 17, 2026 @09:32AM (#48947204)
Possibly. Telephone (电话) is electricity/electronic (电) + talking/speech (话).

In Japanese there's the Japanese possessive ('no') which can also be a modifier/qualifier in text like 男の子 (boy, literally "man of child") and 女の子 (girl, literally "woman of child"), so there are sequences of Chinese characters (possibly in combination with Japanese) that could be a single token like character sequences in the Latin script.

I've found https://digitalorientalist.com/2025/02/04/to-merge-or-not-to... with some information/analysis of this.

Re:Kimi K3 is now live by khalic on Friday July 17, 2026 @10:26AM (#48947770)
I’ll always remember Opus going full sarcastic last year, when I asked it to scrape a few tests it had just written:

> Of course, let’s delete these perfectly fine tests and replace them with your latest idea…

Re:Kimi K3 is now live by floam on Thursday July 16, 2026 @12:29PM (#48936727)
Try

   {"messages":[
      {"role": "user",
       "content": "hi"}
   ]}
but also an explicitly empty system message:

   {"messages":[
      {"role": "system",
       "content": ""}
      {"role": "user",
       "content": "hi"}
   ]}
and finally

   {"messages":[
      {"role": "system",
       "content": "x"}
      {"role": "user",
       "content": "hi"}
   ]}

Comparing OpenRouter’s tokensPrompt with nativeTokensPrompt can tell you if it came from the provider
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by simonw on Thursday July 16, 2026 @05:19PM (#48940392)
I tried prompting "hi" without my own system prompt and it took 86 input tokens, then I set the system prompt to just the word "french" and it jumped up to 99 input tokens. https://gist.github.com/simonw/629b8d05864d7c13e8625a7c48cec...