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Re:The Folly of Scientism by AffableSpatula on Saturday December 08, 2012 @05:18PM (#4892890)
Consciousness/experience.
Re:The Folly of Scientism by thirdtruck on Saturday December 08, 2012 @05:48PM (#4892978)
How, specifically?

Given the incredible variance in available descriptions of "the conscious experience", I would posit that "consciousness" itself exists only as a mental grouping and nothing distinct.

As an exercise: explain what exactly constitutes a "car", including the point where such an item officially "stops being a car" during the process of disassembly. Show your work.

Re:The Folly of Scientism by MrScruff on Sunday December 09, 2012 @05:25AM (#4894381)
I don't think they are referring to the phenomenon of consciousness, rather than the experience of consciousness itself.
Re:The Folly of Scientism by thirdtruck on Sunday December 09, 2012 @01:44PM (#4895531)
Where does that demarcation line fall? Is there anything to consciousness besides the experiential phenomenon?

To illustrate: there is no such thing as the movie "It's a Wonderful Life", just a series of individual frames that our eyes and brains perceive as a whole unit only because of perceptual and cognitive limitations (basically, compression). We know far less of anything beyond the present moment - speaking of individual experience - than most believe. I posit that "consciousness" exists as nothing more than a cognitive compression artifact.

Re:The Folly of Scientism by MrScruff on Sunday December 09, 2012 @06:13PM (#4896589)
Do you regard the subjective experience of being concious as a something that can be adequately described by detailing neurological processes? As in, I know you might argue that a specific combination of atoms will correspond to a specific mental state. That doesn't really tell you anything about the subjective experience of being in that mental state though.
Re:The Folly of Scientism by derleth on Saturday December 08, 2012 @06:13PM (#4893060)
> Consciousness/experience.

These are both scientific.

Re:The Folly of Scientism by zdw on Saturday December 08, 2012 @06:26PM (#4893097)
Ah, so you can scientifically replicate an arbitrary unique experience?

I'd like a slice of roast dodo bird please.

Re:The Folly of Scientism by derleth on Saturday December 08, 2012 @06:48PM (#4893159)
> Ah, so you can scientifically replicate an arbitrary unique experience?

Not yet. Can you explain morality in terms of your favored philosophical framework?

> I'd like a slice of roast dodo bird please.

A fine example of what people do when they don't reason things through. How does this discredit science?

Re:The Folly of Scientism by zdw on Saturday December 08, 2012 @06:58PM (#4893196)
"Not yet" - really? Reversed entropy or invented time travel lately?

It sounds like you're assigning omniscient characteristics to science.