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Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by saberience on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @09:53AM (#48906915)
Can you explain how it works?

What problems would it do well on and why?

Where would it start to fail/break?

What are the limitations of a system like this?

When you vibe code a system in a complex area like RL, you basically have zero understanding of what its actually doing, whether its actually any good or not, what you're actually benchmarking, and when the system would fail.

It's the blind leading the blind.

Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by Danau5tin on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @10:03AM (#48907077)
I chose the key technical decision and direction (such as the system architecture, the tasks to train on, the stack of Tinker, Prime-RL & Runpod - all of which I know well) etc.

The problems it would do well on are training small agentic (multi-turn, tool use) task based models using the prime-rl stack, which are close to the distribution trained upon. It would likely not transfer to other training frameworks such as SLIME, ART or ROLL, it would also likely not transfer well to RL for complex agents such as coding agents etc.

It is limited due to its scale. As a single person, the resources required to train this on a more diverse dataset, with more complex tasks on a larger variety of models, is outside my abilities! I believe there are many avenues to explore to improve performance for this to be genuinely valuable. For now, this just a proof of concept to show the possible.

I would like to think I have a good understanding of RL, evaluations, and agentic systems after a few years of working on these areas. However, I will always have gaps. I use Fable to help accelerate me, and fill those gaps at the same time, from which I can learn from too.

Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by lumost on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @09:56AM (#48906969)
I think the counter point for these projects is that you may not need a deep understanding if you can measure the outcome. While this may not be true every time today, it plausibly will be in the future - making the activity worthwhile.
Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by Danau5tin on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @10:22AM (#48907376)
Yes I do agree with this. I believe we are shifting from "make the model good" (prompt/context engineering, etc) to "define good for the model" (success criteria/rubrics). Over time I believe this will become increasingly obvious (as long as model capabilities continue to increase).
Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by saberience on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @09:58AM (#48906991)
Well, you say that, but when "measuring" anything in RL, that measurement itself is not always obvious.

That is, creating the scoring system/judge models etc for RL is not easy at all. You can easily create an RL loop which is getting better and improving its scores, but actually the result is totally garbage, because you're measuring the wrong thing.

Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by babelfish on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @01:03PM (#48909868)
What do you see wrong with the OPs reward design?
Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by willleeney on Monday July 20, 2026 @07:22AM (#48977254)
They said that the we are moving towards " `define good for the model` (success criteria/rubrics)" and you've just gone no no, you don't understand you need to measure the right thing. Feels like you've just completely agreed with them?
Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by babelfish on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @10:00AM (#48907023)
Did you read the README?
Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by saberience on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @10:03AM (#48907073)
The AI generated README?
Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by irickt on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @01:55PM (#48910627)
Your comments are casting aspersion without showing that you have looked into the work or its author. This project is a case study in good work done with heavy ai assistance while it is clear that there is a skilled person leading. I predict that this will become very common and welcome here.
Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by saberience on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @10:38AM (#48921548)
Why should anyone put serious time and effort into using/understanding a product when the author hasn't put serious time and effort into making it?

I could make this exact same thing over a weekend and post it on Hackernews. But I won't because I would be embarrassed to do so.

The bar for posting something to HN should be high, the bar for wanting people to read your code, your writing, should be putting serious effort and thought into it. Not just vibe coding something up with a vibe coded README and 100% vibe coded code and not even a novel idea or implementation.

Re:Show HN: I RL-trained an agent that trains models with RL... by babelfish on Thursday July 16, 2026 @01:09PM (#48937249)
I think you are putting more effort into arguing it’s not worth it to read the link, than just reading the link would take. I am not sure what you think your comments are accomplishing, they are not useful, just pedantic