ah so thats where microsoft got the idea for recall from.

How is Recall doing these days?

Every TV might do this, not every single one does. Buy TVs which allow you to opt out (at least in one case it was several opt-ins, no opt out per SE).

I don't really want to ask for permission to be excused from this vile monitoring. I don't want it to be in there at all. But I'm not aware of any brand which doesn't do this.

I’ve got 2 Sceptre “dumb” TVs.

Thanks, never heard of that brand but I'll have a look.

I have a projector that I just leave off the network. Do TVs require a network connection now? What happens when they don't have one?

At the moment usually just a nag popup on power on.

Annoying but not a huge deal. I imagine this will slowly get worse as more people learn to not connect it to WiFi.

Also of course all the smart tv features don’t work, and a lot more folks than I ever imagined actually use the built in controller (usually some form of Android or Roku) to watch Netflix and whatnot. And a lot of folks actually do watch the built in TV “channels” a lot of vendors ship with.

It seems very few people buy an additional device like an Apple TV or Nvidia Shield.

I heard on another forum that the latest Samsungs just don't progress through the setup wizard without internet. And someone noticed they retain WiFi passwords even after a factory reset.

You can still set up a temporary WiFi and just kill it after but it's getting pretty insane now.