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Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by j2bax on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @10:31AM (#4876654)
I am aware of their strategy, I just worry that the big automakers with their massive distribution and infrastructures already in place could easily come in and be 10 steps ahead of Tesla and provide a vehicle that isn't as sexy but has the same appeal to the electric car market. I could be overestimating their ability to innovate after so many years of sitting on the same old tired technology, but something tells me that they'd be willing to step up if it means they are going to be completely left in the dust of a tiny (by comparison) company.
Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by jamiequint on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @10:52AM (#4876753)
> I just worry that the big automakers with their massive distribution and infrastructures already in place could easily come in and be 10 steps ahead of Tesla and provide a vehicle that isn't as sexy but has the same appeal to the electric car market.

I really doubt this. This is the classic innovators dilemma. The investments in electric don't look good enough yet for the car companies to go "all in". Their entire supply chain is built around making and selling cars that run on gas engines. Tesla isn't beholden to any kind of entrenched thinking and thus can build up an advantage here that is going to take the big car companies a while to catch up to once electric cars go mainstream. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/120/Screenshots/innovators_dilemma_c...)

Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by alxndr on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @10:37AM (#4876684)
"the big automakers ... could easily come in and be 10 steps ahead of Tesla and provide a vehicle that isn't as sexy but has the same appeal to the electric car market"

Aren't they already trying to do that? Chevy's Volt, Nissan's Leaf, Ford apparently makes a fully PEV Focus now, as does Honda with a version of the Fit, and Toyota's gotta be working on the Prius...

Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by iyulaev on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @11:22AM (#4876948)
This +1

What Tesla has done is made an electric car and marketed it as more luxurious and different from what's on the market. The Leaf is for hippies, the Volt is nowhere to be seen. The Tesla on the other hand is sexy.

A bigger concern is how Tesla will expand from this market. For most manufacturers, the high-end cars are not the major money-makers, and the quantities they move are just too small (Lexus sells over 8 IS/GS for each LS they sell). We'll see if they manage to expand from the niche they're in.

Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by stcredzero on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @01:17PM (#4877642)
The Tesla on the other hand is sexy. A bigger concern is how Tesla will expand from this market.

The Nissan Leaf just isn't a good deal. If Tesla can beat range anxiety in a package that costs $20k or less, then they'll have a winner. Sexy still sells with econobox cars. (Fiat 500?)

Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by arethuza on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @10:49AM (#4876736)
Not to mention European car makers that aren't well known in the US such as Renault and Peugeot Citroën.

Renault have a small electric hatchback going on sale in the spring in the UK at £13,650 (including a grant):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/renaul...

Personally, I'd be far more likely to buy a small electric hatchback than any of the Tesla models.

Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by daliusd on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @11:07AM (#4876861)
Let's add Audi e-tron to the list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_e-tron).
Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by jeremyarussell on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @11:01AM (#4876809)
This is one of the reason why patents are actually good, https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=pts&hl=en... takes you to a list of stuff like this http://www.google.com/patents/US8286743 which happens to be my personal favorite, since it's this battery placement that gives Tesla cars an edge. (handling, acceleration and all that good stuff.)

It's one of the examples of patents being done right, to protect innovation.

Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by njharman on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @12:14PM (#4877230)
> with their massive distribution and infrastructures

That is a disadvantage. Along with their size that represents massive costs and massive inertia.

The actual threat from incumbents is regulation(lobbying for) and legal. Both of which they can afford due to massive size and have established the "infrastructure" for.

Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by anonaccount27 on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @12:50PM (#4877463)
I think Musk would be quite satisfied if the major automakers actually had affordable, high-performance electric cars as a staple.

Mission accomplished and all that.

Re:Tesla Was Cash Flow Positive Last Week, CEO Musk Says by freehunter on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @11:15AM (#4876905)
Well, Ford and Toyota are buying electric drivetrains from Tesla to put into their electric vehicles. The big automakers are easily able to match Tesla just by buying Tesla's parts, which Tesla is more than willing to sell them.