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Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by batgaijin on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @01:07AM (#4875133)
ever heard of _NSAKEY or 'stellar wind'?
Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by lostlogin on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @01:17AM (#4875161)
Thanks. For those like me who had not. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY#section_2
Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by meaty on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @03:50AM (#4875483)
I'll probably get shot for this but in the shared source license there are a number of huge holes around the signing key code. NSAKEY doesn't exist any more but its more suspicious when there is just no code there.

I wouldn't trust Microsoft - the world's largest Trojan.

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by salman89 on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @01:29AM (#4875195)
Not sure how this relates. Article/interviewee is stipulating that the NSA intercepts all communications at the telecom level (as far as I understand). It doesn't say how this device also magically breaks encryption on encrypted data.

I guess you are saying that Google willingly allows the NSA to decrypt the data? What would Google have to gain there? Because they certainly have a lot to lose.

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by antidoh on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @08:10AM (#4876056)
They don't need to break encryption for telecom interception to be worthwhile. Most email is not encrypted.

Knowing what web sites you go to, if you are otherwise interesting, is worth knowing even if they can't read the bits. Pen registers do that with phones, and that's valuable enough that there are legal protocols about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_register

Just because you can't eat the whole enchilada doesn't mean the beans aren't worthwhile.

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by salman89 on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @01:59PM (#4877886)
The email may not be encrypted, but as long as the data transfer was made under a secure protocol, there's not much of a difference. Only difference is that Google themselves can view your email in plaintext. But in terms of a man in the middle attack, I'm failing to see the difference.
Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by antidoh on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @04:46PM (#4878774)
From your house to Google is encrypted, but is it transmitted encrypted to the recipient's email provider?
Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by salman89 on Friday December 07, 2012 @02:09PM (#4888636)
Ah, I see. Thanks, I can buy that argument.

A good argument can then also be that you should never trust emails outside your own provider? If you are sending to an @gmail to @gmail, you should be covered a bit better?