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Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by MostlyStable on Saturday June 27, 2026 @10:56AM (#48698842)
The gap between grok and Gemini to Claude and chatgpt suggests that yes it is that hard.
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by arw0n on Saturday June 27, 2026 @03:40PM (#48701062)
I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views.

Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet.

That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog suggests that talent and execution is incredibly important. A year ago none of my normie friends new them, and when i suggested using Claude looked at me like when I recommend Linux.

Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by janalsncm on Saturday June 27, 2026 @05:16PM (#48701833)
That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by bwhiting2356 on Saturday June 27, 2026 @05:22PM (#48701898)
It affects their ability to hire and retain talent.
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by janalsncm on Saturday June 27, 2026 @05:57PM (#48702155)
If training a good model requires talent then that’s the answer to the question this thread is trying to answer: is training a good model actually that hard?
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by buthowjejddjeu on Sunday June 28, 2026 @03:46AM (#48705284)
Talent to do.. what? This could mean a lot of things.

Navigating astronomically huge fundamentally not so hard but still really tangly and hairy projects requiring both excellent short- and long-term vision in an overheated domain with angry people and lots of money is a skill all of its own.

Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by janalsncm on Sunday June 28, 2026 @08:44PM (#48713425)
Talent to train high quality LLMs, especially coding LLMs.
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by thot_experiment on Saturday June 27, 2026 @06:57PM (#48702581)
Not true, aggressive post training makes models notably dumber.
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by black_knight on Saturday June 27, 2026 @05:40PM (#48702030)
Why would these be independent?
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by janalsncm on Saturday June 27, 2026 @06:01PM (#48702184)
More specifically, political lobotomy shouldn’t affect coding ability.
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by girvo on Saturday June 27, 2026 @06:49PM (#48702524)
You’d be quite surprised, I think. Fine tuning a model on one axis can have drastic impacts on another that as a human we would expect to be completely unrelated.
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by janalsncm on Sunday June 28, 2026 @08:42PM (#48713409)
I have never seen anyone argue that this cannot be overcome with more high quality RLVR data.

The practical reality is that the Chinese and American models might have very different politics. But the most relevant factor in model performance is the quality and volume of training data, not ideology of the base model. Unless you are suggesting something very particular about the way Grok was neutered.

Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by Discordian93 on Saturday June 27, 2026 @06:34PM (#48702424)
Yet empirically it does
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by Hamuko on Saturday June 27, 2026 @07:02PM (#48702617)
It's all a bunch of weights isn't it? Why wouldn't fiddling with some parts of the weights have cascading effects?
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by KaiserPro on Sunday June 28, 2026 @03:41AM (#48705262)
> That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability.

If you are spending all your time having to re-train because the boss doesn;t like the output, it will hamper coding

Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by Oreb on Saturday June 27, 2026 @08:22PM (#48703111)
> A year ago none of my normie friends new them, and when i suggested using Claude looked at me like when I recommend Linux.

Isn’t that still the case? Normies haven’t even heard about Claude, in my experience.

Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by buthowjejddjeu on Sunday June 28, 2026 @03:48AM (#48705292)
In my experience it has improved a bit, but 90% of my normies still have no idea. (It was 100% before)
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by khurs on Saturday June 27, 2026 @07:42PM (#48702908)
All of the 11 grok co-founders alongside Elon quit: https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/28/elon-musks-last-co-founder... so that will have hampered grok.

Like Zuckerberg, top talent may not work with a polarising character if they disagree with his behaviour. Space focused talent don't have many choices aside from SpaceX but ai companies are a plenty and a top AI person can pick and choose.

Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by MostlyStable on Saturday June 27, 2026 @07:53PM (#48702958)
The fact that you need top talent also suggests that it is indeed that hard
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by IshKebab on Sunday June 28, 2026 @03:50AM (#48705296)
I dunno, if most of the top of a company quits it's extremely disruptive even if everyone else in the company is competent.
Re:Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models by timr on Saturday June 27, 2026 @11:52PM (#48704168)
The article linked from the one you linked to strongly implies that most of the 11 were fired in a re-org:

https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/13/not-built-right-the-first-...