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Re:How LLMs Work by trollbridge on Saturday June 06, 2026 @01:31AM (#48421702)
We don't really know why language works with humans, either. If you raise a baby from birth, you kind of observe how it is learning language, but the process is also rather mysterious. My eldest son's first word was to actually imitate a cow mooing, and then after that to imitate a motor noise of a tractor or truck. And then after that a meow. (His first complete sentence was "King Graham fell"...)

My next child took a completely different path to language, including skipping all the non-verbal imitations.

And then at some point, you just suddenly can two-way communicate with them when you couldn't before, and then after that, they can engage in reasoning.

Re:How LLMs Work by jumploops on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:29AM (#48421994)
Completely agree!

It’s interesting to me how similar attempting to understand LLMs is to neuroscience.

“When we turn this bit off, this other thing happens… if we change these weights the Eiffel Tower is now in Rome”

We’re basically just probing around and trying to reverse engineer an emergent system.

To your point, this system may be quite different from model to model (human to human) although some similarities likely occur.

The comment I was responding to tried to belittle the OP’s understanding of transformers, by mentioning that running an LLM at scale is much harder than the simple white board diagram.

My point was simply that we don’t know why they work, and all the extra optimizations isn’t the “thing” that makes it emergent.

Simply scaling the “GPT” is good enough to see it, so the OP’s awe should stand.

(On a side note, what other architectures can we scale to find similar emergent behavior?)

Re:How LLMs Work by trollbridge on Saturday June 06, 2026 @06:12AM (#48423356)
Computer vision ends up displaying emergent behaviour. It just "figures out" things.
Re:How LLMs Work by galaxyLogic on Saturday June 06, 2026 @04:24PM (#48428646)
Isn't the LLM simply predicting what should be the next sentences after user's input, using its algorithm and data it has exatrcted from existing texts on the internet. The algorithm that does that could have many different designs, some better some worse for the purpose of predicting what output makes most sense next?

So what is it that we don't understand about why theyr work? The algorithm? We have the code. Why the specific algorithm makes such good predictions? I see it as a generalization of trying to predict who wins Kentucky Derby.

Re:How LLMs Work by ai_slop_hater on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:30AM (#48422000)
Human brain capabilities are truly amazing, imagine if people didn’t treat their children as if they are stupid and didn’t constantly lie to them, because kids are stupid right, they wouldn’t understand. What heights could be reached.
Re:How LLMs Work by baq on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:43AM (#48422082)
We don’t treat children like they’re stupid, we treat children like they’re children. A stupid adult is treated very differently than any child.

Adults are expected to have their world models approximately correct in terms of physical environment so they won’t accidentally kill themselves by falling off a cliff; then there are the social norms which adults are expected to conform to so everyone is kinda predictable to everyone else so adults don’t kill each other too often over food or mates. Understanding of neither is expected from children.

Re:How LLMs Work by ai_slop_hater on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:03AM (#48422207)
You may have been raised properly since you don’t get what I mean. I really envy kids with “Chinese parents” that had them learn math early on and not some bullshit like that if you put your tooth under your pillow, then a tooth fairy will come.
Re:How LLMs Work by mejutoco on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:30AM (#48422376)
I think those 2 are orthogonal. Math still works with Santa or the tooth fairy.
Re:How LLMs Work by ai_slop_hater on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:46AM (#48422476)
Maybe math works but critical thinking doesn’t. There are people who have lived for many decades without ever questioning insane b.s. they were taught as kids.
Re:How LLMs Work by beezlewax on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:40AM (#48422440)
It is possible to have learned both things you know.
Re:How LLMs Work by skydhash on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:04AM (#48424143)
I had to learn maths early (not chinese or asian) and also a bunch of scary stories to make me behave. I would have been glad to learn about fairies.
Re:How LLMs Work by Izkata on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:12PM (#48427983)
Another example, my parents taught me to read at about 4 years old. When I started kindergarten (the year before 1st grade in the US), the teachers and principal didn't believe I could read and I had to prove it by reading a book to them I'd never seen before.

I think they're right that kids (at least in the US) are generally treated as less capable than they are, and it ends up slightly delaying their development.

Re:How LLMs Work by pmg101 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:16AM (#48422288)
Because god forbid that childhood, the one time in your life when you don't have any responsibilities, should be fun.
Re:How LLMs Work by ai_slop_hater on Saturday June 06, 2026 @03:31AM (#48422383)
Waste 22 years of life without learning anything and then slave away at a 9-5 job you hate. Brilliant strategy. At least you had “fun”. Then blame billionaires or something.
Re:How LLMs Work by skydhash on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:09AM (#48424179)
Childhood only lasts 13 to 15 years where I am. By the time you’re in high school, you can be expected to be responsible in some matters. By 22 you have 7 years of experience in making decisions for yourself.
Re:How LLMs Work by trollbridge on Saturday June 06, 2026 @06:10AM (#48423347)
They aren't stupid, but they aren't quite ready to handle the full responsibilities of the world and worry about things they don't need to worry about.

My son is very worried about black holes lately when he learned anything that goes into one can't get out. He's pretty concerned astronauts could get stuck in one some day. So I explained to him that Hawking radiation does actually mean you can eventually get out; it just takes some time.

I didn't think it pertinent to mention spaghettification, the fact anywhere near a black hole will be really hot, or that cosmic censorship means whatever Hawking-radiates from a black hole wouldn't be an astronaut anymore.

It was also fun to hear Hawking speak. He wanted to know if Hawking was a robot. I said no, but he has a robot talk for him. Not quite true, but close enough.