I think Anthropic and OpenAI have found product-market fit

Re:I think Anthropic and OpenAI have found product-market fit by thesz on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:29PM (#48301007)

Multiply "inference + backwards pass (~2x inference cost) + activations (vram overhead)" by batch size (thousands) to get to the actual RAM and compute cost. Optimizer like ADAM adds only two or three model-sized overhead.

And last, but not least, you need only one hidden layer kept in RAM for inference, but you need all of them (61 for Deepseek models) kept in RAM for computing gradient for one sample.

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Re:I think Anthropic and OpenAI have found product-market fit by xyhopguy on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @07:30PM (#48302209)

Microbatch size is a hyperparameter, it can be set to 1 and work just as effectively. With gradient accumulation it's equivalent even. Large batch sizes are used to increase parallelism, and sometimes to reduce variance in the loss signal (at the cost of increased bias).

Batch size is frequently limited by compute bottlenecks well before memory.

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Re:I think Anthropic and OpenAI have found product-market fit by galaxyLogic on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @07:14PM (#48302069)

Does it matter what is the difference in size of needed inputs for inference vs. training?

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Re:I think Anthropic and OpenAI have found product-market fit by mcv on Thursday May 28, 2026 @04:18AM (#48306159)

And of course you do all of this for every object in your training set, which is going to be larger than the total number of uses for any individual user.

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