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Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by tptacek on Tuesday May 26, 2026 @10:52PM (#48288948)
I don't see it that way at all, but then I'm a housing activist, and I've seen fiercer opposition to a 4-story apartment building than to some of these data centers. People just like opposing development. It's very satisfying!

When I see a protest over a golf course opening, I'll take data center water use concerns seriously.

The data centers the industry wants are all going to get built. People are being hypnotized by concentrated minority interests in specific spots in the country. The only big picture thing about it is the left-populist sideshow it's created.

Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by hunterpayne on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @12:16AM (#48289566)
So you are why rents are so high then.
Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by cootsnuck on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @12:03AM (#48289487)
> The data centers the industry wants are all going to get built.

If that was the case then why are the majority of data center projects getting scrapped?

https://gizmodo.com/data-center-project-cancellations-quadru...

Why are insiders saying they only expect about 10% of data center projects to ever be completed?

Why is 2026 already shaping up to have less than half of planned data centers break ground on construction?

Local community opposition is a big driver but so is permitting and infra procurement.

https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/energy-power-supply/why-...

All of this is inconvenient to big tech's "inevitability" narratives.

Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by ojbyrne on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @12:16AM (#48289568)
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Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by cootsnuck on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @01:38AM (#48290109)
Yea, my bad. "majority getting scrapped” was sloppy wording.

More accurate to say would be that a big chunk of the AI data center pipeline looks delayed/speculative. 16GW is slated for 2026, but only 5GW is actually under construction. https://www.sightlineclimate.com/research/data-center-outloo...

I do think it's a bit ridiculous though to not consider someone a tech insider who was a director for a decade at one of the biggest tech companies in history...

Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by no-name-here on Tuesday May 26, 2026 @11:16PM (#48289139)
> The data centers the industry wants are all going to get built.

That seems very untrue - multiple areas have already banned data centers, and senators like Bernie Sanders have proposed stopping data centers nationwide. This is just the next phase of NIMBY-ism. Alternatively, source that the "data centers the industry wants are all going to get built"?

> I've seen fiercer opposition to a 4-story apartment building than to some of these data centers.

I'm guessing you're referring to rather cherry-picked data? I've seen data center opposition making even the national news, but I don't recall any '4-story apartment buildings' opposition doing so? And senators like Bernie Sanders are proposing halting data centers nationwide - are there any similar proposals to similarly outlaw such housing construction nationwide?

> People just like opposing development.… When I see a protest over a golf course opening, I'll take data center water use concerns seriously.

Agreed.

Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by tptacek on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @12:02AM (#48289472)
Of course multiple areas have already banned data centers. So what? The United States is absolutely enormous. Data center buildout --- especially for AI training --- has a much easier problem than housing does. Housing needs to be built near centers of economic activity, which means that every marginal unit of housing is likely to be infill and has to pass muster with relatively dense neighborhoods of people who hate development. Data centers tend to be sited in underutilized industrial tracts. There are lots of those around the country.

I feel like what's obviously happening here is that people have a rooting interest against AI, and highly-publicized pushes against "AI data centers" in specific areas are simply sparking joy for people.

Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by no-name-here on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @01:05AM (#48289899)
Is the argument that opposition to, and proposed bans of, data centers are only occurring on sites near dense population centers, as opposed to even covering incredibly low density sites? I'd say data center opposition goes beyond housing opposition as state-wide or even national bans have been proposed.

Many people similarly have a 'rooting interest' against public housing, public transit, even new housing in general in their area, and similarly celebrate when housing, transit, etc. get stopped. <shrug>

Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by tptacek on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @01:22AM (#48290011)
That's exactly what I'm saying. This is an old story; it's just getting airplay because of the "AI" connection.
Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by taybin on Tuesday May 26, 2026 @11:44PM (#48289352)
Bernie Sanders proposes a lot of things that are never implemented. I’m not sure his support is actually a useful signal of greater support.
Re:Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around t... by bdangubic on Tuesday May 26, 2026 @11:49PM (#48289394)
it is (unfortunately) quite the opposite, if you see what he supports there is a high likelyhood of that not happening.