Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Administration Says

Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by rayiner on Saturday May 23, 2026 @10:30PM (#48253760)

Your joke inadvertently shows the error in your logic. “America” (in the sense of the nation) didn’t exist in 1493. Various Indian nations existed in this land. British people didn’t “immigrate” to those Indian societies. They created a new society on the land. They were settler colonizers, as the kids say these days.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by purerandomness on Saturday May 23, 2026 @10:41PM (#48253841)

> Your joke

I'm not amused. Are you amused?

> They created a new society on the land.

I see my message didn't quite get through.

You're almost there however. Think one step further: What stops the next "immigrants" from renaming your cute "society" that you currently have there, and declare a proper, civilized society, with a proper culture for once?

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by rayiner on Saturday May 23, 2026 @10:44PM (#48253858)

Nothing! If a superior civilization comes to America and wipes it out and builds a new society in its place, then those people will also be “settlers” not “immigrants.”

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by VerifiedReports on Sunday May 24, 2026 @12:16AM (#48254321)

Ah, that explains the Israeli "settlers" in Gaza.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by mktk1001 on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:48PM (#48254184)

Do you mean the kind of superior civilization that progressed from chattel slavery to being run by a cabal of pedophiles?

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by rayiner on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:55PM (#48254227)

The kind that invented the internet and the airplane and the microchip and put a man on the moon.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by callmeal on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:27AM (#48254679)

> The kind that invented the internet

Seriously did not expect a MiniTel reference here. Vive Le France‽

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by rayiner on Sunday May 24, 2026 @02:32AM (#48254949)

ARPAnet had already been out a decade by then. TCP/IP was standardized the same year MiniTel came out.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by Dylan16807 on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:48PM (#48254187)

I'm worried about your use of "superior" here but yeah the rest of that is right.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by remarkEon on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:57AM (#48254803)

Why? It is demonstrably superior. If it wasn’t we wouldn’t be debating whether it’s immoral to not let everyone else on the planet in.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by fpoling on Sunday May 24, 2026 @03:30AM (#48255281)

The only real advantage of European settlers was smallpox immunity. If not for that the history could move in a very different direction.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by remarkEon on Sunday May 24, 2026 @10:41AM (#48257644)

This entire thread is filled with people willfully lying about history like you are right now. It’s incredible to see. I can’t tell if it’s because this is a simple is vs ought distinction and you are having a hard to reconciling your ought with the is.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by Dylan16807 on Sunday May 24, 2026 @12:11PM (#48258449)

Eh. I wouldn't say only but it was the biggest advantage. The Europeans brought better tech and bad racism along with the terrible diseases. If they had established trade without disasters we might have seen the natives be very successful too.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by fpoling on Sunday May 24, 2026 @06:19PM (#48261595)

In his last book “The Dawn of Everything” David Graeber very convincingly argued that the idea of modern democracy came from Indian tribes in Northern America.

And it is also interesting how easily European countries went back to authoritarian or even totalitarian states given the opportunity. Yet US is more resilient and one explanation is subtle influence of Indian culture that still affects US.

As for technological advantage of Europe then 3000 years ago Ancient Egypt was way more advanced than Europe. 1000 years ago Arabic countries were more advance and 500 years ago China was more advanced. And Europe was lucky that China was focused on internal problems and not territorial expansion.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by remarkEon on Sunday May 24, 2026 @08:34PM (#48262417)

I think you have to be on drugs to think that American democracy came from Indian tribes. I grew up in the Midwest, so this mirror universe explanation for the origins of my country isn’t going to work on me.

>1000 years ago Arabic countries were more advance [sic] and 500 years ago China was more advanced.

Yeah real life isn’t your science fiction fantasy. None of this is true. I am aghast at how ostensibly smart people have, just in the last couple years, adopted a view of history that is completely at odds with the written record.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by conception on Sunday May 24, 2026 @11:30AM (#48258066)

I think it’s telling that you have the opinion that a superior civilization would wipe out another at all.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by drnick1 on Sunday May 24, 2026 @02:12AM (#48254878)

> Think one step further: What stops the next "immigrants" from renaming your cute "society" that you currently have there, and declare a proper, civilized society, with a proper culture for once?

Nothing, but it is our right, as Trump does, to call that an invasion and forcibly reject it.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by bvanheu on Saturday May 23, 2026 @10:44PM (#48253859)

fyi there were no Indian in North America in 1493. you are probably referring to First Nations or Native people.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by mondrian on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:54PM (#48254222)

Of course native people didn’t call themselves Indian prior to settlers assigning them that name, with legal consequences. But native people usually refer to their tribe identity, like Diné or Lakota, rather than the generic term Indian.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by satvikpendem on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:52PM (#48254210)

As an actual Indian from India I do get annoyed that Columbus's misconception has lived on this long, although I understand there's nothing I can do to change that.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by rayiner on Sunday May 24, 2026 @12:08AM (#48254286)

At this rate they’ll fix the ambiguity by fully adopting Bharat.

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by sillysaurusx on Sunday May 24, 2026 @12:48AM (#48254464)

CGP Grey argues this same point: not only is Indian the legally correct term, but it’s the correct term in general. https://youtu.be/kh88fVP2FWQ?si=touZCydc-7jckeLh

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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by satvikpendem on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:36AM (#48254717)

He doesn't seem to talk anything about the endonym of the inhabitants of the country of India so I'm not sure how it's the correct term in general.

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