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Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by CapitalistCartr on Sunday May 17, 2026 @11:31AM (#48169825)
When I was a kid, back eons ago, smoking was everywhere. People who didn't smoke had ashtrays for guests. Telling people to not smoke was simply not a thing. When I was about 16, some family friends put a small sign on their front door requesting people not smoke inside their house. I was shocked. I liked the idea, but I'd never seen that before, never even considered it. I recall wondering how many people would be offended enough to stop visiting.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by hliyan on Sunday May 17, 2026 @11:38AM (#48169892)
I remember this. Ashtrays were practically part of the furniture (especially coffee tables), even if you didn't have a smoker at home.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by SoftTalker on Sunday May 17, 2026 @12:06PM (#48170140)
As was passing out cigarettes and cigars to all the guests, didn't see this so much in the USA but very common in Europe even into the late 1990s.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by pavlov on Sunday May 17, 2026 @12:19PM (#48170306)
Elementary school children would make ashtrays as gifts for Father's Day.

If dad didn't smoke, surely he had guests who did.

Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by hnlmorg on Sunday May 17, 2026 @01:15PM (#48170865)
Yeah. I remember that too. It was such an odd thing to make at schools and kids clubs. But that’s through the lens of modern life.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by redwall_hp on Sunday May 17, 2026 @03:49PM (#48172612)
I vaguely remember living room chairs with built in ash trays (like how some have cup holders now).

And in the late 90s, being on a plane and the chairs had a metal folding door on the armrest that exposed an ash tray. Smoking on planes was already gone or going away, but the hardware lingered for quite some time.

Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by cogogo on Sunday May 17, 2026 @07:31PM (#48174097)
Think these bins persisted on some aircraft until fairly recently. Maybe 10 yrs ago?
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by cogogo on Sunday May 17, 2026 @07:30PM (#48174090)
Ha my first ceramic project in elementary school art class was an ashtray. Smoking was everywhere.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by Ma8ee on Sunday May 17, 2026 @12:45PM (#48170575)
I remember a discussion whether it was rude to lit a cigarette at the dinner table before everyone had finished their meal or not.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by paulpauper on Sunday May 17, 2026 @03:47PM (#48172588)
It makes you wonder how accurate the smoking cancer stats are. IF everyone smoked, presumably this means a lot of people who are not recorded in the stats despite smoking or former smokers, lowering the mortality rate or risk factor, although obvious smoking is still bad.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by margalabargala on Sunday May 17, 2026 @04:01PM (#48172708)
I would expect it to be the other way around.

If nearly everyone smoked, then even nonsmokers were constantly getting a fair amount of secondhand smoke.

This would raise the background rate of cancer, making it appear that smoking raises your risk by less than it actually does.

Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by rjsw on Sunday May 17, 2026 @04:11PM (#48172776)
Non smokers did get lung cancer [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Castle#Illness_and_death

Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by margalabargala on Sunday May 17, 2026 @04:20PM (#48172854)
Yes, exactly my point.

If the "normal" rate of lung cancer is X, the observed rate in nonsmokers who get secondhand smoke is X+Y, and the observed rate in smokers is X+Y+Z, if you compare nonsmokers and smokers it looks like smoking increases your rate by Z when it's actually Y+Z.

Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by paulpauper on Sunday May 17, 2026 @05:17PM (#48173279)
this agrees with my point because non-smoker are being counted in cancer risk. we're only interested in people who choose to smoke. public smoking bans make secondhand smoke less risky/relevant as a factor. we're only interested in the risk , independent of secondhand smoke, of someone choosing to smoke getting cancer.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by margalabargala on Sunday May 17, 2026 @07:32PM (#48174102)
> we're only interested in the risk , independent of secondhand smoke, of someone choosing to smoke getting cancer.

No, that's where you're wrong.

You are only interested in that independent risk.

I, and many others, are interested in how much smoking changes that risk.

Picking random numbers, let's say smoking gives you a 10% chance of lung cancer. It's fine for you to only care about that 10% number, you get to care about what you want to.

But for the rest of us, when making informed decisions based on risk, it matters whether smoking changes it from 9.9% to 10%, or 0.1% to 10%.

Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by andrepd on Sunday May 17, 2026 @07:22PM (#48174043)
About 1/2 of all people who ever died from smoking-related causes were non-smokers.
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by IAmBroom on Tuesday May 19, 2026 @09:04AM (#48192768)
Cite?
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by jasonwatkinspdx on Sunday May 17, 2026 @04:28PM (#48172925)
Yeah, I'm just barely old enough to remember flying when you could smoke on planes.

It was everywhere. The smell of stale cigarette smoke was in nearly every public space. This was in the 80s in the US, so smoking was already in decline, but the smell was still this constant background presence.

Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by bokkies on Monday May 18, 2026 @02:00AM (#48176031)
I remember flying in the 80s (and early nineties in parts of Europe) and always got 'air-sick' which made flying awful. Only after smoking was banned did I realise I wasn't motion sickness but it was instead poisoning from the smokers around me. My parents would book non-smoking seats and we'd be 1 row in front of the smokers...wild times
Re:Hindenburg's Smoking Room by WalterBright on Sunday May 17, 2026 @10:13PM (#48174957)
So true. My parents would bring out ashtrays when we had guests.