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Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by Unfunkyufo on Wednesday May 13, 2026 @02:36PM (#48125677)
As an advocate (and practitioner) of European digital sovereignty, let me tell you, at least from my perspective, it has absolutely nothing to do with fear of US intelligence agencies spying on us, and everything to do with the catastrophic consequences of an unreliable and unstable American government pulling the plug on our vital infrastructure, or at least the very least weaponizing our dependency on American companies.

I live in Denmark, a country whose primary threat at the moment is the USA, and the thought of Donald Trump effectively having a kill-switch to our highly digitalized society is absolutely frightening. Reducing our dependence on American tech means that we are less vulnerable to a hostile power using it to extort us out of our territory. We cannot remove the threat entirely, but we can make the pain less extreme.

Other EU countries are also seeing things this way, that the US no longer has a stable government and is no longer a friendly country. Who cares about American spying when the real threat is your country being turned off?

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by TheCapn on Wednesday May 13, 2026 @04:19PM (#48126947)
As a Canadian who has been listening to the "51st state" wordvomit coming out of US administration your comment is very apt.

For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment. There's countless US articles talking about US/Canada relations as if it is a trade dispute and that they think Canadians are eager to re-unite and go back to the way things were without ever addressing the threats to our sovereignty. Then you have comments like the parent to your post who is....wildly off the mark thinking that in a point of contention we'd prefer to keep our data on US controlled systems because their government would need to follow their own legal processes to acquire data of a foreign/hostile state??????

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by JuniperMesos on Wednesday May 13, 2026 @05:10PM (#48127609)
Is the rest of the world going to stop trying to immigrate here, though? ICE is still finding plenty of foreigners to detain and deport, who voluntarily set foot on US soil; there are still plenty of foreigners who are complaining about how hard it is to get a visa to work in the US where the pay or other conditions are better than where they live.

Indeed, the angrier the rest of the world is about the US, the more US citizens have to worry that that foreigners attempting to immigrate here for the long-term have a plan involving exercising influence on US politics from their position inside the country, in order to punish existing US citizens.

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by john_strinlai on Wednesday May 13, 2026 @06:38PM (#48128528)
i find it amusing how you shoehorned US immigration issues/conspiracy into the above conversation
Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by JuniperMesos on Thursday May 14, 2026 @02:28PM (#48139262)
The entire reason that people in Europe care about moving their digital infrastructure from American cloud companies to European cloud companies is because they're upset about current American politics, particularly Trump being president. Immigration is one of the biggest issues in American politics right now, and is also a pretty big issue in the politics of basically every European country.

The comment I was responding to was claiming "For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment." in the context of making an argument that American citizens should be concerned about people in foreign countries feeling threatened by potential actions of the US government and reacting to this by reducing their dependence on American cloud companies.

And my genuine response to this comment is that US citizens are less ignorant of how the rest of the world perceives them than the commenter thinks - because the rest of the world is still trying to physically come here (and often still trying to come here illegally, or remain here illegally - ICE is still arresting tons of people).

Immigrants who dislike the US generally don't stop talking about their problems with the US when they move here - but now they use their status as an immigrant to make a moral claim, that they are more authentically American than those who didn't move here, and so their understanding of what America is and should be is better and more moral than that of existing American citizens. You can go to any college campus and see what the foreign students are saying about the US, including what they're saying about the very policy of giving visas to foreign students to begin with. Or you can go to congress and see what the immigrant members of the house of representatives are saying about the US. There's no conspiracy.

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by protocolture on Wednesday May 13, 2026 @09:02PM (#48129861)
>the more US citizens have to worry that that foreigners attempting to immigrate here for the long-term have a plan involving exercising influence on US politics from their position inside the country, in order to punish existing US citizens.

I am not aware of any, but I would love to hear any and all plans to punish US citizens.

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by antonvs on Wednesday May 13, 2026 @10:58PM (#48130588)
> worry that that foreigners attempting to immigrate here for the long-term have a plan involving exercising influence on US politics from their position inside the country, in order to punish existing US citizens.

This is indeed a valid concern for immigrants like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and Rupert Murdoch. They’ve all had a significant deleterious effect on the US.

For the average immigrant just trying to live their life, it’sa much less valid concern. You could equally point the finger at the millions of natural-born US citizens who believe that the US is a “Christian nation”, who are well organized, and are trying to change the laws in that direction.

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by deaux on Thursday May 14, 2026 @12:47PM (#48137887)
> Is the rest of the world going to stop trying to immigrate here, though

Yes. If you look for example at people from the world leader in science and technology, China, then there is a very noticeable drop in the number of young Chinese people wanting to study in,or after graduation stay in, the US.

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by 1123581321 on Wednesday May 13, 2026 @11:03PM (#48130613)
The parent to their post was saying your risk assessment of which country should host is incorrect, given who you believe to be your biggest threat, i.e. your preferences are not aligned with reducing your risk.
Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by frm88 on Thursday May 14, 2026 @01:41AM (#48131494)
For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment.

Lets help them via visualisation: from rank 30 to 48 in just one year

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-countries-with-the-b...

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by deaux on Thursday May 14, 2026 @12:42PM (#48137829)
This becomes even more striking if you look at who they surveyed:

> They asked citizens across the G7 (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the U.K., and the U.S.)

They're not even asking those from the half of the world that has been bombed or coup d'etated by the US in the last half century. They're asking those who should on paper dislike the US the least.

People from those countries ranking the US below India, Mexico, South Africa and Turkey is quite something. Israel coming in at 55th out of 60, below Saudi Arabia, is also fantastic proof of how incredibly unrepresentative these "representative democracies" are of their populace. The US and Germany are even 2 of the 7 surveyed countries! Without them I wouldn't be surprised if they came in last, under Iran and China.

Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by tekknik on Thursday May 14, 2026 @08:41AM (#48134567)
For some reason I cannot grasp Canadians think the US citizens think about them at all. We may as well not have a northern neighbor, all that most of us think exist between Michigan and Alaska is snowy wilderness.
Re:I Moved My Digital Stack to Europe by _carbyau_ on Wednesday May 13, 2026 @08:26PM (#48129548)
Can you sponsor GrapheneOS or fork Android similarly please? Maybe HMD should be working with GrapheneOS.