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Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by TrackerFF on Thursday May 07, 2026 @03:37AM (#48046550)
I watched a video of some (unemployed) programmer lamenting over the current job situation market. He had been coding for a good while, but had recently been laid off. The vid was mainly concerning the searching and interview process, but it also did highlight something I find somewhat true and important:

Right now we're in a gold rush. Companies, that be established ones or startups, are in a frenzy to transform or launch AI-first products.

You are not rewarded for building extremely robust and fast systems - the goal right now is to essentially build ETL and data piping systems as fast as humanly (or inhumanly) possible, and being able to add as many features as possible. The quality of the software is of less importance.

And, yes, senior engineers with other priorities are being overshadowed - even left in the dust - if they don't use tools to enhance their speed. As the article states, there are novice coders, even non-coders that are pushing out features like you wouldn't believe it. As long as these yield the right output, and don't crash the systems, that's a gold star.

Of course there are still many companies whose products do not fall under that, and very much rely on robust engineering - but at least in the startup space there's overwhelmingly many whose product is to gather data (external, internal), add agents, and do some action for the client.

You need extremely competent, and critically thinking technical leaders on the top to tackle this problem. But we're also in the age where people with somewhat limited technical experience are becoming CTOs or highly-ranked technical workers in an org, for no other reason than that they know how to use modern AI systems, and likely have a recent history of being extremely productive.

Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by whstl on Thursday May 07, 2026 @03:55AM (#48046670)
Of anything, the current era looks like how 1995-2015 was for me.

Back then I was not in the “nitpicker’s radar” yet. I was working in small teams and shipping like crazy, sometimes fixing small bugs literally in seconds.

Things worked, were stable, made money, teams were fun and code and product had quality.

The post-Thoughtworks, post-Uncle-Bob world of 2015-2025 was absolute hell for a maker. It was 100% about performative quality. Everything was verbose and had to be by the book.

It was the age of bloat, of thousands of dependencies, of nitpicks, of infinite meetings, of quality in paper but not in practice, of doing overtime, of being on a fucking pager, of having CI/CD that took 10 hours to merge, and all the stress it comes with.

I would be totally ok if all those “professional” engineers from that generation were to be replaced with hackers, both old and new.

Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by nly on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:00AM (#48046699)
Nothing you describe is recognisable to me. It just seems like you chose to work at bad places.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by whstl on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:15AM (#48046802)
That's the crazy thing about criticizing the industry in general: you can't really get away with it without someone calling you incompetent, point blank! :D

What I am describing here is FAANG (two of them) and every startup (two YC) or enterprise (a big Fintech) that copied it.

If you happen to "like it", perhaps it's time to think about accepting how other people don't.

Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by Dumblydorr on Thursday May 07, 2026 @07:08AM (#48047971)
That was a low effort comment, I agree with you and I downvoted theirs. HN rules specify comments should drive the conversation forward. They used n=1 anecdata and called your employers bad places, oversimplifying the complexities into a simplistic 3 letter word.

Let’s keep the short caustic comments to ourselves people. The world is crazy enough without making other peoples days worse with drivel!

Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by pelagicAustral on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:05AM (#48046726)
Come on now. Even I know exactly what he's talking about and I have worked far and beyond all the craze of the real world, having mainly dedicated time to small dev shops in the past 2 decades.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by my-next-account on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:11AM (#48046767)
No man, it's because of their poor ability to pick jobs, not because the other commenter was in a different niche or whatever than they are. It's absolutely not possible for 2 people to have a different experience, as there are at most 5 programmers in the entire world.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by whstl on Thursday May 07, 2026 @09:38AM (#48049291)
I literally can't picture someone who simultaneously 1) has been managing to land great jobs in small shops, 2) browses HN and 3) doesn't empathize with complaints of bloat, dependencies, pager duty and meetings.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by bmn__ on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:29AM (#48046897)
I recognise it from regularly talking with fellow programmers at the local tech meet-ups. At least in my area, the work places with result-oriented policies were and still are in the clear majority, and only big companies with likewise big financial reserves could afford to pursue the economically wasteful route of process-oriented policies.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by auggierose on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:46AM (#48047012)
Or maybe you are part of the problem they are describing.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by uncivilized on Thursday May 07, 2026 @05:12PM (#48055118)
Do you mean to say that in 2026 things look different than they did in 2015-2025?
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by whstl on Friday May 08, 2026 @12:32PM (#48065399)
For me, yes. It started to improve a few years ago already, but now it’s back full circle.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by philipp-gayret on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:11AM (#48046770)
You have described exactly the situation of almost all of my clients. And in some way it is good to see our business model validated as we help steer organisations at this level, also technically. I would only add that the quality of software has improved significantly. From my perspective, the bar for quality at most organisations like this is low, extremely low.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by noduerme on Thursday May 07, 2026 @03:56AM (#48046677)
Companies that don't fall under that rubric are established and have actual money on the line if their software shits the bed. Software that handles actual logistics and transactions can't be treated to lots of LLM updates without some serious problems arising. Startups and B2B ones especially have always been cheap, cut corners, screwed up and apologized later, and most importantly just created hype and fluff to get investment that's rarely spent on building solid foundations. There's not much crap AI is writing for them now, as code or marketing material, that wasn't already just as junky when it was written by humans. That's been the mutually agreed upon game that startups and VC have played since the 90s. LLMs just distill the douchery and the flawed logic, and it's pleasant to watch their artifacts go down in flames.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by kakacik on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:04AM (#48046721)
Most of the software engineering field ain't no startups, however distorted the most vocal representation on HN could be.

Neither are they code sweat shops churing one quick templated eshop/company site after another (knew some people in that space, even 20 years ago 1 individual churned out easily 2-3 full sites in a week depending on complexity).

Typical companies, this includes banks btw, see these llms as production boosters, to cut off expensive saas offerings and do more inhouse, rather than head count cutting tool par excellence. Not everybody is as dumb and pennypinching-greedy as ie amazon is. There, quality of output is still massively more important than volume of it or speed. CTOs are not all bunch of shortsighted idiots. But these dont make catchy headlines, do they.

Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by lurking_swe on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:19AM (#48046828)
i feel like i saw the same thing! was is this (AsianDadEnergy channel)?

https://youtu.be/VeMA9WGKxOg?si=hV1F84P_-U6k9oJi

Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by tidewinner on Thursday May 07, 2026 @04:36AM (#48046942)
I've simply not seen this at all. As someone with 10 YOE who was in the job market from November to early April going for senior software engineer roles, quality and architecture seemed to be the thing every org cared about. The bar not only to secure and interview, but to get hired was unbelievably high.

Some of the interviews I were getting were at AI startups and all of them were either doing architectural questions or multiple rounds of architectural, behavioural and leetcode problems.

Only one of the orgs was hiring junior engineers and the director of technology mentioned to me he didn't want to as they were "incapable", but it was a quota given to him by the board.

I also got told by multiple recruitment agents that I wasn't experienced enough, and some hiring managers were demanding 15 YOE for a senior role.

Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by DragonStrength on Thursday May 07, 2026 @05:25AM (#48047277)
15 YOE, here: Well, I just interviewed between October - Decemeber of last year, and since then, the company I joined has gone full vibe-coding and is changing to AI interviews. So...
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by topaz0 on Thursday May 07, 2026 @01:19PM (#48052051)
GP is talking about what they [the companies in question] accept/expect as work product. That has always differed from what they look for in a job candidate. Not surprising that AI psychosis amplifies the discrepancy.
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by angled on Thursday May 07, 2026 @09:26AM (#48049171)
I am somewhat relieved to be working in a regulated industry where deterministic outputs are still needed. Maybe when someone has a validated AI model there will be trouble ...
Re:Appearing productive in the workplace by notabee on Thursday May 07, 2026 @11:01AM (#48050265)
Conway's Law still holds true. Software applications will resemble the communication structure of the companies that build them. If the companies are comprised of 90% overly verbose bullshit, so too will be the fragile slop monstrosities that they build.