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Re:Comparing Amazon EC2 to Joyent SmartOS by bcantrill on Monday November 19, 2012 @03:31AM (#4803487)
For whatever it's worth, we are very actively working to make SmartOS a more hospitable environment to those coming from other systems. I'm not sure if you're interested in the details here (after all, it sounds like you might have spent longer on the HN comment than on the "30 seconds" with SmartOS), but if you provision the default base smartos64 image (currently version 1.6.3), "top" is available via pkgsrc ("pkgin in top"). Not only that, but due to popular demand, we've also ported "htop" to SmartOS ("pkgin in htop"). In terms of node.js version, I think what you're referring to is the node found in the base platform (/usr/bin/node), not the node available via pkgsrc (which will appear as /opt/local/bin/node). This is definitely a point of confusion, and we've rectified it in the next version of our software by not having the node version that we use in the base platform be visible to SmartMachines (that is, there isn't a /usr/bin/node).

More generally, we're definitely committed to making SmartOS the best environment for the modern cloud; I'm sorry that your experience was frustrating, and if you have any additional concrete feedback on what you'd like to see improved, we're all ears. And finally, I know you said that you "don't care" about DTrace, but I just can't help my (biased) self; if you're developing a node.js app, you really should check out some of the things that SmartOS can uniquely do with respect to node:

http://dtrace.org/blogs/dap/2012/04/25/profiling-node-js/

http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2012/05/05/debugging-node-js-mem...

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Re:Comparing Amazon EC2 to Joyent SmartOS by latchkey on Monday November 19, 2012 @04:13AM (#4803594)
As a new customer, I feel like Joyent needs to focus on simplifying things quite a bit. I want to run NodeJS on a server. I install the aptly titled 'SmartMachine Node.js' product and expect it to be the right version and the basic tools installed to get the job done. Instead, I get this morass of oh, you didn't install the right machine or oh, node is in some other directory now. Can you see how that might be distracting?

Sure, I didn't spend a lot of time with it, why should I? I saw that it was missing a great deal of basic things out of the box. I decided quickly to not waste my time learning more esoteric stuff that is only useful if I stick with Joyent and SmartOS.

You are an absolute genius for creating dtrace and it is nice to have but certainly isn't a necessity for most applications. Your example is voxer which is a total edge case since they've been pushing the node envelope since day one.

In the end, the reality is that SmartOS doesn't feel modern at all, it feels like Windows98. Actually, it feels like SunOS back when I had pizza boxes under my desk 15 years ago. I could spend time giving you tons of (free) feedback about what's wrong with SmartOS or I could just use Ubuntu and move on.

9900+ concurrent connections on a $22/mo Ubuntu box is 'good enough' for me.

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Re:Comparing Amazon EC2 to Joyent SmartOS by 4ad on Monday November 19, 2012 @06:24AM (#4803886)
The things you are complaining about -- top vs. prstat, dtrace, upstart vs. smf, clear and comprehensive documentation vs. man pages written in an afternoon or blog posts on the internet, apt vs. ips -- these are things that are objectively better on Solaris in a quantifiable way. If they make you feel like you're working with Windows 98, I don't think the problem is with the tools, but somewhere else.

A few days ago there was an article about Linux monoculture. It's even worse than that, it's an Ubuntu monoculture.

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Re:Comparing Amazon EC2 to Joyent SmartOS by sojacques on Monday November 19, 2012 @08:30AM (#4804241)
Well, you said Solaris, not SmartOS.

If you really believe there is more information in SmartOS' wiki than in man pages & other proper documentation available about Linux, I don't think the problem is with the Linux monoculture, but somewhere else.

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Re:Comparing Amazon EC2 to Joyent SmartOS by 4ad on Monday November 19, 2012 @08:32AM (#4804248)
SmartOS is Solaris. All documentation about Solaris is pertinent to SmartOS.
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