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Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by Permit on Friday November 16, 2012 @08:41AM (#4793770)
Where is this love of the Start Menu coming from? Can't people just type in the name of program they're interested in?

What does the Start Menu offer that people miss?

Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by gregd on Friday November 16, 2012 @08:56AM (#4793830)
Have you used Windows 8 on the desktop? The start menu and the desktop top are two separate "eco systems" for lack of a better word. When you're on the desktop, you can't just start typing and have search popup what it finds like you can on the start menu.

The new start menu is a usability nightmare. I can't get desktop alerts on my Start Menu (from AV and Firewall). Toast notifications, when desktop programs catch up to that functionality, won't be as elaborate as desktop notifications. Meaning I won't be able to click "allow" or "deny" or "block" while in the start menu.

Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by Permit on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:26AM (#4793963)
>Have you used Windows 8 on the desktop?

Yes, I used the previews and it's my primary OS at home.

> The start menu and the desktop top are two separate "eco systems" for lack of a better word. When you're on the desktop, you can't just start typing and have search popup what it finds like you can on the start menu.

I'm not sure I follow. If you hit the Windows key and begin typing, you have search across your whole system. It's essentially the same as Windows 7 with the exception of user interface. (ie. the same functionality is present)

Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by gregd on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:46AM (#4794025)
Universal search isn't really universal if the functionality doesn't act the same throughout the system. I agree that the search functionality from the start menu is excellent. Just starting to type away will automatically bring up search and begin to almost instantaneously offer results FROM THE START MENU ONLY.

Want this functionality from the desktop? NOPE! Want this functionality from the App Store? NOPE!

Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by gregd on Friday November 16, 2012 @08:58AM (#4793835)
In addition, when I RDP into my Windows 8 machine from my mac, the hot corners on the mac are for OSX functionality and begin to interfere with bringing up the start menu
Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by MatthewPhillips on Friday November 16, 2012 @08:59AM (#4793845)
You never could "just start typing" when on the desktop. You either had to click the start button or the windows key. That's still true in Windows 8.
Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by gregd on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:03AM (#4793864)
I didn't say you could. But the start menu was always one click away. Now it's a hot corner, a click, and typing to find the program, away.

Well except I bought and paid for Start8 and I've been way happier with it installed.

Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by stinos on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:41AM (#4794012)
"But the start menu was always one click away. Now it's a hot corner, a click, and typing to find the program"

I do not have Windows 8 but just reading this makes it sounds like two methods that are exactly the same?

  - moving the mouse to the start orb == moving the mouse to a hot corner
  - clicking the orb == clicking the hot corner
  - typing == typing
Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by drharris on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:22AM (#4793942)
Or just hit the windows key (or Ctrl-Esc) and type. Why do people like to click so much?
Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by ygra on Friday November 16, 2012 @08:44AM (#4793786)
Some people apparently still click. But there is indeed a portion of users that benefit more from a start menu. If you regularly have to use Windows 8 via RDP, either in a window or on a multimon configuration, then have fun hitting the hot corners. And the start screen needs plenty of time getting rendered over a network.
Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by Permit on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:29AM (#4793973)
The RDP complaints sound justified to me. Fading, sliding and other animations sound like they would cause a headache, as would the hot corners.
Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by xtirpation on Friday November 16, 2012 @08:48AM (#4793801)
Personally I don't like that the new start menu takes up an entire screen. You're right that people can just type in the name of the program they're interested in, but in that case it makes even less sense to me for the start menu to take up all that space unnecessarily. It's just jarring to me that if I ever want to launch a program from the new start menu, I'll have to drop everything I'm doing when I might otherwise be looking at another window.

Really I think the new start menu is meant to be easier for people who don't just type in the name of the program they're interested in, allowing them to put all the apps and programs they use onto their start menu and arrange them however they want, not unlike an extended "favourites" menu.

Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by Angostura on Friday November 16, 2012 @08:48AM (#4793803)
Apparently people like GUIs
Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by nitrogen on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:11AM (#4793894)
Can't people just type in the name of program they're interested in?

For the same reason people like vi -- switching back and forth between keyboard and mouse is slow, inefficient, and distracting. When using the mouse, you want to stay on the mouse as long as possible. When using the keyboard, you want to stay on the keyboard as long as possible.

Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by barrkel on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:11AM (#4793893)
Spatial rather than lexical memory.

I have a console, aliases, scripts etc. if I want to start programs with typing.

Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by drharris on Friday November 16, 2012 @09:19AM (#4793930)
The new start screen is actually perfect for spatial memory. Instead of an unordered list of programs on the start menu, you get a colorful matrix of icons you can size and arrange however you like. For those with lexical memory, hit the windows key and type a few letters and you're good to go. It's really the best of both worlds.
Re:With Sinofsky gone and Start8 selling well, will MS add t... by barrkel on Friday November 16, 2012 @02:23PM (#4795399)
Unfortunately not for my purposes; my start menu is not unordered, it is dense, categorized and alphabetical - like this: http://imgur.com/XRAG1