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Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by ngruhn on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:07PM (#47898265)
I guess if you build the first AI that can autonomously self improve, then nobody can catch up anymore.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by hattmall on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:41PM (#47898432)
That seems really paradoxical and I think it would just burn up compute. The AI really doesn't have any way to know it's getting better without humans telling. As soon as the AI begins to recursively improve based on its own definition of improvement model collapse seems unavoidable.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by fc417fc802 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:16AM (#47898591)
If humans are able to judge, and if the AI is more capable than a human in every respect, then why can't the AI be the judge of its own performance? Humans judge their own output all the time.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by darkwater on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:15AM (#47899419)
The difference IMO is that every single human is a slightly different model, not the same one with a different prompt, or weights.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by fc417fc802 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:36AM (#47899508)
I'm not sure I buy that competition between individuals is a hard requirement but lets assume that to be the case for now. Then how many variants of itself do you suppose an AI could instantiate in parallel given full control of a gigawatt class datacenter?
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by TeMPOraL on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:28AM (#47899473)
Humans ultimately judge their output by comparison and competition. When we get to the point an AI is capable of participating on the market directly, it'll no longer make sense to proxy judgement through humans anymore.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by fc417fc802 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:40AM (#47899521)
Agreed. But also, comparison and competition between individuals is only one of the ways in which improvement happens. Consider for example that it's also possible to build something for personal consumption and iteratively improve on the design without regard for what anyone else thinks of it. Cooking comes to mind.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by TeMPOraL on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:48AM (#47899556)
Right. But even that is shaped directly or indirectly by environment you live in. The way you scratch your own itch looks differently depending on what itch you have. Plus, humans are social animals, we live in groups and constantly judge each other and try to have others judge us favorably.

AI has none of that now - it only gets direct human feedback from those controlling the training (or at a second level, the harness), and that feedback is really in service of the humans at the steering wheels. Sum total of humanity, mixed in the blender, and flavored to make the trainers look good in front of their peers.

Now, if AI could interact directly and propagate that feedback to their training, or otherwise learn on-line, that changes. It's a qualitative jump. The second one is, once there's enough AIs interacting with human economy and society directly, that their influence starts to outweigh ours. At that point, they'll end up evolving their own standards and benchmarks, and then it's us who will be judged by their measure.

(I.e. if you think we have it bad now, with how we're starting to adapt our writing and coding style to make it easier for LLMs, just wait when next-gen models start participating in the economy, and we'll all be forced by the market forces to learn some weird, emergent token-efficient English/Chinese pidgin that AI-run companies prefer their suppliers to use.)

Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by rhizome on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:42PM (#47903976)
Humans have imagination, AI doesn't.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by lukan on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:40PM (#47898424)
But if the second AI that can self improve comes up?

Then it all remains a question of who has the most compute power, as self improve seems compute heavy with the current approach.

Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by techpression on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:14AM (#47898836)
If that happens catching up will be meaningless, everything we know and care about will change. You don’t have to be doomsday about it even, a self improving AI will quickly be more efficient than a human brain, all the data centers will be useless, tech companies will collapse (so will most others), everyone will have an incredible AI resource for the price of a hotdog. There’s no way it wouldn’t leak from whoever made it, either by people or by the AI itself.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by fc417fc802 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:19AM (#47899162)
> There’s no way it wouldn’t leak from whoever made it, either by people or by the AI itself.

It seems pretty wild to bet the future on such an assumption. What are you even basing it on?

Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by ngruhn on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:22AM (#47899701)
Because any goal can be better achieved if you're under fewer constraints. We're building super powerful agentic problem solving machines. Give them literally any complex goal. Breaking out of the sandbox is a useful subtask to increase their options.
Re:Google Plans to Invest Up to $40B in Anthropic by mike_hearn on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:07AM (#47901663)
This is a common canard. AI already autonomously self improves. All the training pipelines for modern frontier models are filled with AI. AI generates synthetic data, it cleans data, it judges output quality and feeds back via RL, it does hyperparameter tuning, it rewrites kernels for speed and a thousand other things.

But: no singularity. At least not yet.

The flaw in this thinking seems to be the idea that AI is a singular thing. You point the model back at its own source code, sit back and watch as it does everything at once. Right now it's more like AI being an army of assistants organized by human researchers. You often need specialized models for this stuff, you can't just use GPT for everything.