The Americans marched en masse to get rid of ICE, right?

Guess the Tiananmen square tank man is a victim, but Alex Pretti and Renee Good are just statistics

(The tank man wasn't even run down by the tank - Good was shot for merely turning the wheels in the wrong direction)

Americans really need to shut up about any democratic values or humans rights and clean up their own mess before preaching to the world

> The Americans marched en masse to get rid of ICE, right?

No.

> Guess the Tiananmen square tank man is a victim, but Alex Pretti and Renee Good are just statistics

Pretti started a fight with a cop in the middle of arresting someone while carrying a gun, Renee Good drove over a cop.

The Tiananmen square tank man didn't attack anyone.

Try watching the videos instead of Fox News or OANN.

Pretti tried to help a woman who was pushed down by masked agents, they then attacked and executed him.

Good tried to turn AWAY from the man with the gun and get out of the situation and he stepped in front of her and executed her, shooting even after she'd driven past him without hitting him despite him putting himself into harms way.

I have watched the videos, which is how I know Pretti intervened in an arrest, grabbed a cop and his gun went off in the fracas. Nobody executed him, you’d know that if you saw the video where his pistol discharges and the officers respond.

Likewise, the body cam image from the officer Good ran over shows him doing it. Have you seen this?

Stop making excuses for vigilante groups and let the police do their job.

An ideologically driven subset of urban educated youths that was proportionally a tiny subset of the entire Chinese population marched for it in 1989. FTFY.

They are ruling themselves in the sense that their governing systems are emergent consequences of their own cultures. All peoples ultimately deserve the governments they have.

You could say the exact same thing about the cultural revolution.

Yes, so what's your point?

That your point about support for Chinese democracy, could also be applied to Chinese communism - was that not obvious? Also in the Chase of Chinese communism the cult was facing a KMT that had suffered from just defeating the Japanese.

More of the point though they support for Chinese democracy was broad enough to the Beijing army could not be used to suppress the protests. The tanks and the people that killed the students had to come in from outside the city.

Ironic then that most of the students throughout China who supported and even participated in the Tiananmen protests would later admit that Deng acted correctly in squashing it, and that China is better off today for that. This is a sentiment most Chinese living in China today share.

Could things eventually go south with the CCP in charge? Of course, and given long enough time, that's almost a certainty. But even when that day comes, it still does not directly imply a liberal democracy was the better governing system for the Chinese people, as your original comment strongly implied.

“ most of the students throughout China who supported and even participated in the Tiananmen protests would later admit that Deng acted correctly in squashing it”

That’s a very big claim to make without a reference.

IYKYK

>That your point about support for Chinese democracy, could also be applied to Chinese communism

Incorrect - my point about Chinese democracy does not apply to the current governing body of China (whether you choose to view and harp on them as communist or not is irrelevant).

The Cultural Revolution, which the previous commenter presented as a gotcha, is widely regarded as a dark period and unequivocally a mistake by the majority of Chinese today. But Chinese communism today is both much more and much different than Chinese communism under Mao.

OTOH Tiananmen is much more emblematic of "Chinese democracy" than the Cultural Revolution was of Chinese communism. And as already stated, the way Tiananmen was handled is deemed to be correct by the majority of the Chinese populace today.

And so once again, this goes back to my original point: peoples of different nations choose their own government, including the form of that government, and not just in the narrow sense of who their next public-facing leader should be during the next several years. The Chinese already does exactly that.

No, correct. You said “ideologically driven subset …proportionally a tiny subset of the entire Chinese” which is absolutely true of Mao’s cult.

Mao's cult as you call it, shares little similarities to the modern day Chinese government, which is arguably the most pragmatic government that exists in the world today, certainly amongst developed countries. So once again, wrong.

The moderns Chinese government are members of mao's cult and continue the corruption, kidnapping and murder parts.

Now you're just talking out of your ideological a**.

Which is your right. Just know that that's what you're doing.