Re:DeepSeek v4
by Bombthecat on Friday April 24, 2026 @03:02AM
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In six month deepseek won't be sota anymore und usage will be wayyyy down.
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Re:DeepSeek v4
by randomgermanguy on Friday April 24, 2026 @05:47AM
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Only comparing on SOTA scores (ignoring price etc.) is like choosing your daily-driver by looking at who makes the fastest sports-car...
The constant improvements of SOTA are the main thing keeping the investment machine running. We can't really remove training costs from inference costs, because a bunch of the funding and loans for the inference hardware only exists because the promises the continuous training (tries to) provides.
Re:DeepSeek v4
by dnnddidiej on Friday April 24, 2026 @05:57AM
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Not really. SOTA vs non SOTA is "can I get my coding work actually done today" vs. "this can do customer support chat"
It is like car vs. kick scooter.
Re:DeepSeek v4
by randomgermanguy on Friday April 24, 2026 @07:54AM
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> "can I get my coding work actually done today" vs. "this can do customer support chat"
I think you need to define "can get coding work done" for this to make sense. Ive been using GPT-3 back-then for basic scripts, does that count ? Or only Claude-Code ?
I also think this is a false dichotomy, if you look at the Project Vend project or Vending-Bench, customer support etc. is at no means trivial. (Old but great story https://www.businessinsider.com/car-dealership-chevrolet-cha...)
This, I have been doing my side hustle code with open code an 3.2 reasoner and it is way better than what I have at day job with copilot and whatever models are there.
Re:DeepSeek v4
by dnnddidiej on Friday April 24, 2026 @07:15PM
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Tell me more please!
Re:DeepSeek v4
by wahnfrieden on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:50AM
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Copilot is a bad harness that perverts the productivity of models like GPT 5.5.
Re:DeepSeek v4
by regularfry on Friday April 24, 2026 @07:02AM
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It really isn't. We get coding work actually done today on Opus 4.5. That's not SOTA any more, and anything proximate to that level, even quite loosely, is genuinely useful.
Re:DeepSeek v4
by dnnddidiej on Friday April 24, 2026 @07:07AM
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OK we are in Opus 4.5 is not SOTA. Right by that definition .... yes you are right.
Re:DeepSeek v4
by randomgermanguy on Friday April 24, 2026 @07:47AM
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I mean its almost halve a year, i think that counts ?
Re:DeepSeek v4
by dnnddidiej on Friday April 24, 2026 @07:14PM
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Time wise you are correct.
Not really. The current SOTAs are already at the point that they can do that. The following models will start to surpass the daily work level. It's a diminishing returns situation just like anything else in tech.
Or there will be DSv4.1/2/3 ;)
Re:DeepSeek v4
by randomgermanguy on Friday April 24, 2026 @07:57AM
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Definitely something in this realm, they call the models "preview" at a bunch of different points in the paper.
What im really hoping is for a double-punch like with V3 -> R1
Re:DeepSeek v4
by 2ndorderthought on Friday April 24, 2026 @06:59AM
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A huge proportion of those scores are gamed anyways. Use whatever works for you at the price and availability you can afford