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Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by modeless on Monday April 20, 2026 @06:20PM (#47841786)
Also, Pixels have unlocked bootloaders and Android is open source to the point where third parties can and do make alternative OS distributions.
Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by cwillu on Monday April 20, 2026 @07:25PM (#47842470)
And it's necessary to have a second phone to actually use any of that while maintaining access to one's banking app.

The hardware is nominally open only because they enforce participation in their software ecosystem via other means.

Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by DANmode on Monday April 20, 2026 @09:54PM (#47843612)
> And it's necessary to have a second phone to actually use any of that while maintaining access to one's banking app.

Partially accurate / misleading at most.

Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by cwillu on Tuesday April 21, 2026 @12:14AM (#47844443)
I have a phone that can be unlocked, and I will lose access to my banking app (among other things I require) if I do so.

If your “partially accurate” objection is that I didn't describe a perfectly universal experience, I will be greatly disappointed.

Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by DANmode on Tuesday April 21, 2026 @01:32AM (#47844931)
Vouching your comment from dead to reply in good faith:

your bank’s app sucks, tell them they suck,

and or use the webapp.

Tens of thousands of financial institution apps work A-OK on GrapheneOS,

that is my objection.

Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by hedora on Tuesday April 21, 2026 @10:57AM (#47849731)
That’s good to know. Is there a list? Maybe a vocal community of computer literate people with money could loudly move to banks that do work (regardless of which phone they have).
Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by DANmode on Tuesday April 21, 2026 @11:23AM (#47850108)
Apps with Google SafetyNet usage, and or Google Pay NFC dependency to start the app, two common failure modes.
Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by DANmode on Tuesday April 21, 2026 @02:42AM (#47845367)
What does “unlocked” mean, here?

Are we talking about root checks? Bootloader unlock?

Re:John Ternus to become Apple CEO by whatsupdog on Tuesday April 21, 2026 @11:55AM (#47850562)
That's like saying there's no freedom in USA because I didn't get a visa to visit. We are talking about the freedom of Google devices. And you are talking about banks not letting you install their apps on a non Google OS. Totally different things.