Imagine having access to information about thousands of years of human history, with all its big migrations, the ebbs and flows of civilizations, religions and empires, and still actually thinking one people in particular have some natural claim to a stretch of land.

What if instead we respected state sovereignty and international law for the betterment of all instead of continually stirring up shit to benefit of a few powerful figures?

United States citizens are not indigenous to the region. Native Americans are, and the continuation of the indinginous peoples culture. People who have taken over the area and now call themselves "American" are just laying claim by making up a new identity.

I agree.

> Palestinians are not indigenous

What does that even mean? Just because they converted (or were forced) to another religion?

Even the Hebrew recognizes there were plenty of other people living in territory of what is now modern Israel and that the Hebrews violently subjugated quite a few of them.

> the continuation of Canaanite culture

Well culturally they became mostly European, Arab etc. depending on where they lived.

Let's confirm your claim through DNA tests to establish ancestry of Israelis and Palestinians.

Oh, they're banned in Israel?! Why would they possibly be banned?? Could it be that...

Friend of mine was invited to a wedding of Jewish friends, and commented to them how impressed she was that they'd invited all their Arab friends along to the wedding as well (she was being sincere, not sarcastic). The conversation got rather chilly after that...

DNA tests aren’t banned in Israel.

If that's true, then great! Then we can do mass ancestry tests to establish the subpopulation that is indigenous to the region of historic Palestine. Let's do it.

It’s extremely regulated, especially conducting research into the ancestry of Israelis. Which makes you question the legitimacy of the research coming out of Israel about this topic, Not to mention that respected Israeli researchers who colored outside of the party line were reprimanded or called self-hating Jews.

This is not even remotely true. In fact, ethnically, it has been demonstrated that the Palestinians present today are in fact the true descendants of the original inhabitants of the area, including the original Israelites from that region, and are not, in fact, migrants that arrived later or were Arabs from outside (though such people also exist but do not make up the majority). [1] [2]

What is undisputed is that those called Israeli today are majority NOT traditionally Middle Eastern, whose ethnic origins trace back only to Europe, Russia, and pretty much anywhere except the Middle East, with the only exceptions being, that's right, Arab Jews (a concept Zionists struggle with) that have lived in Palestine for centuries. The whole concept of Aliyah is about immigrating to Palestine. What their true origins are is difficult to pinpoint widely because commercial genetic testing to find out their actual ethnic origins is banned in Israel or so highly regulated it is effectively blocked.

Zionism is a European settler colonial concept. It harmed primarily Arabs, Muslim, Christian, and Jew, and remain one of the last an anachronistic relics of the imperial settler colonies of the past 500 years.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#cit... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#cit...

This isn’t accurate. The majority of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi. The vast majority of them left the Muslim-majority countries during the Arab–Israeli conflict, in what is known as the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries.

It’s widely accepted that Israel orchestrated attacks on the Jewish population in arab countries to push them to migrate to Israel.

For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950–1951_Baghdad_bombings#:~:...

It is not even remotely the case that scholars accept that the expulsion of Jewish people from MENA was orchestrated by the new state of Israel.

What's especially aggravating about this trope is how useless it is in a discussion about today. It's not true, but if it were, what would that matter? You're still talking about Moroccans, Tunisians, Yemenis, and Iraqis who are not temporarily-embarrassed Europeans with a free pass to move back to where they came from.

A grandparent comment made the claim that most Israelis are from "Europe, Russia, pretty much anywhere but the middle east". That claim is luridly false. Why mitigate such a clownish argument? Acknowledge it's wrong and move on; don't build it into your own argument.

God this website loves bs conspiracy theory if it applies to jews. But we couldn't even talk about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.