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Re:Middle schooler finds coin from Troy in Berlin by robot-wrangler on Friday April 17, 2026 @12:56PM (#47807990)
Yeah the wild thing about the southwest is the open-air museum aspect of it, not the layers on layers. For petroglyphs, the southwest has so many that date to the high middles ages (~1100 AD) you can stumble on them by accident as a hiker. AFAIK the oldest in the area are still thought to be these ones[0], about 9000 years ago. (Always controversial to date rocks I guess, but the oldest North American mummy should be easier and is about the same.[1])

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnemucca_Lake [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Cave_mummy#Dating

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Re:Middle schooler finds coin from Troy in Berlin by AlotOfReading on Friday April 17, 2026 @01:17PM (#47808255)
The southwest has plenty of layers on layers. Tucson is built on a Spanish fort, which is built on native villages on top of yet older native villages going back almost 4,000 years, as one example.

For another example, most neighborhoods in eastern phoenix are built on top of old Hohokam villages, adjoining older basketmaker sites. The canals throughout the city often follow the old Hohokam canals. Fun fact, the Intel Chandler campus is on top of old hohokam suburbs of Pueblo de los muertos, which is buried under the modern suburbs.

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Re:Middle schooler finds coin from Troy in Berlin by alephnerd on Friday April 17, 2026 @01:24PM (#47808347)
The Puebloan culture in the southwest during that time was basically a full fledged civilization. It's insane how underresearched such a culture is despite having built megastructures like within the Grand Chaco Canyon
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Re:Middle schooler finds coin from Troy in Berlin by sidewndr46 on Friday April 17, 2026 @01:48PM (#47808583)
did they leave behind significant amounts of writing?
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Re:Middle schooler finds coin from Troy in Berlin by alephnerd on Friday April 17, 2026 @01:50PM (#47808602)
Nope. Which is what makes it so difficult. Additionally, adjacent nations like the Navajo, Apache, and others are very tight lipped about their extremely robust ancestral and oral history because of bad experiences along with taboos.

It felt like a mix of rightful wariness due to untrustworthy opportunistic anthropologists from the 19th and 20th century along with taboos that developed due to some sort of collapse.

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Re:Middle schooler finds coin from Troy in Berlin by refurb on Saturday April 18, 2026 @01:24AM (#47813363)
Indeed! If you're around Taos, NM, there are several national/state parks that contain the remaining structures of the Pueblans.

The Puye Cliff Dwellings are over 1,000 year olds, and you can free roam most of them. It is quite wild being able to go into cave dwellings in the cliff. I'd highly recommend visiting if anyone is considering it.

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