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Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by api on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @06:51AM (#47688358)
So we spent a ton of money and a bunch of people died to negotiate a much worse situation.

5D chess!

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by dmix on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @08:44AM (#47689428)
Making outrageous demands is normal in these negotiations. You can just look at what Hamas demanded during the ceasefires. What usually happens is no strong concessions from either side and hostilities just end. The regimes get to survive just in a badly degraded state.

Most importantly Iran can't afford to keep the strait closed to enforce this. If they block shipping their own will be blocked as well - which hasn't yet happened, they were still allowed to ship oil. Iran was already in terrible financial shape before the war and they aren't negotiating from a strong position of power to take those risks.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ndiddy on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @10:51AM (#47691056)
> Most importantly Iran can't afford to keep the strait closed to enforce this. If they block shipping their own will be blocked as well - which hasn't yet happened, they were still allowed to ship oil.

Why do you say this? During the war they set up a checkpoint system so their ships and ships they allowed to pass could still pass through.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by umanwizard on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @11:23AM (#47691497)
Of course Iran wouldn't block its own ships at its own checkpoints, but the US is capable of easily interdicting Iranian shipping if it wants to.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by baq on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @12:13PM (#47692225)
this would be a worse crisis than we've just had; it'd put China (if not all of Asia) directly against the USA and would put Australia in a very peculiar spot.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ivell on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @12:56PM (#47692905)
While the crisis would be worse, I am not that sure that China will confront US on this militarily. So far they have stayed out of other's fights.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by dmix on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @03:50PM (#47695382)
Iran charging a massive toll would also cause a crisis with the gulf states and they aren't going to tolerate it. This is much bigger than Iran vs US, and the idea they hold the cards for such a claim is mostly propaganda.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by peebee67 on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @10:38PM (#47698718)
Just pointing out that for the volume of these ships, it's not really a massive toll. It's honestly a bargain, paid for in a really easy to stomach way by the people who allowed this to happen: Everyone else.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by dmix on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @10:58PM (#47698822)
Doesn't explain why UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrian, and Saudis would tolerate a fee transiting the strait. Let alone why America would agree to that in negotiations given they have little incentive to agree to any large demands.

If that is agreed upon it's going to come with some concessions by Iran which is even less likely.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by peebee67 on Thursday April 09, 2026 @12:46AM (#47699374)
They'd tolerate it because they all poked a giant in the eye and it didn't go down. It's by far the cheapest route to peace any of them have.

USA could agree to it because it's not particularly dependent on that fuel supply and therefore would only pay the costs indirectly via market forces, which as the thief-in-chief pointed out, does (the parts he cares about of) their economy no harm as a net petroleum-product exporter, and above all else, they are losing the war.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by cassepipe on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @09:26AM (#47689937)
Is that an argument for them not being to enforce the ayatollbooth or its price to remain reasonnable ?