It’s amazing to me to see the amount of people willfully ignorant in this war, and having extremely short memory.

In June we had the 12th day war with Iran, it also ended with a ceasefire which continued to negotiations which collapsed and here we are.

Now, a ceasefire again, and people already claiming that Iran has won and trump accepted their demands.

I’ve seen people saying at first that Iran didnt agree to the ceasefire and then saying that they won’t open the strait. Completely oblivious people.

It's not oblivious. It's more willfully ignorant. Even that is not right. Most people are just so anti-America and anti-West that they side with actual despots and choose to believe strange things. If we send 10,000 bombs to Iran and lose an F-16E and have to search for a pilot for a few days, these people believe this means Iran has won the war. If China puts a balloon on our coast, these people believe China has defeated us militarily. I responded to a post the other day where someone was claiming Cuba could "easily" neutralize the entire U.S. Navy with a handful of drones or something.

> If we send 10,000 bombs to Iran and lose an F-16E and have to search for a pilot for a few days, these people believe this means Iran has won the war.

Is your objective just sending 10k bombs to Iran?

If your objective is death, then yeah, the US won. Enjoy the all that death, because seemingly it's all it got from the war. Double points for the exploded schoolgirls, perhaps?

It would confirm that the US is truly a vile country. Not to anyone's surprise, really.

If they would read the actual news the ceasefire is contingent on immediate opening of the strait. That’s the deal, open the strait and the bombing stops while we negotiate over the next two weeks.

I don't think this ceasefire is going to last as long as people think. It just gives a chance for everyone to bury the dead, resupply, rearm and continue the war.

By that logic, the US and Israel should have never offered a ceasefire and stuck to the regime change narrative. Accepting a ceasefire shows that America was never serious about controlling the Strait, and passes the initiative back to the Iran/China axis instead of straining it through a joint blockade. The tactics make zero sense, considering the objectives laid out at the start.

It's been weeks of war, America should have something to show for it. Right now, Iran has successfully used America's offer as a way to muzzle Israel in Lebanon and muster their own strength with Russia and China. Even from a Zionist perspective, this is a terrible result.

How does Iran's proposal, which neither the US nor Israel have accepted, muzzle Israel in Lebanon?

But I will agree that the tactics make zero sense.

It passes Iran the initiative. Since the beginning of this war the onus has been on America and Israel to apply pressure and make Iran sue for peace. In terms of controlling the ground, the mass and structure of Iran's forces are nearly the same as when they started. There was no assistance from the Kurds, there was no coordinated multilateral assault with America's allies, nothing happened. Iran can regenerate their proxies and seek assistance while stringing America and Israel along on a proposal they won't sign.

From a strategic perspective America needs to deprive Iran of their allies. If they are serious about fighting this war, a line has to be drawn with Russia and China that prevents them from providing world-class reconnaissance. China particularly has to be economically sanctioned for their assistance, but the US Navy let them sail their tankers right through the Strait without a single PLAN vessel nearby. Opening the strait weakens Russia's (already battered) share of oil exports while rewarding China for supporting Iran and condemning the US. It's stupid.

From where I'm standing, last week would have been a great time for a Shock and Awe campaign to finish this off and make it a tidy weekend war for the folks back home. But we saw none of that, instead America is ostensibly cutting it's losses and (reportedly!!!) entertaining the same 10-point plan that concedes Iran's nuclear program and missile program to them.