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Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by jeffbee on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:10AM (#47627562)
Large, sophisticated, expensive war assets like fighters and carriers are brilliant against literally cavemen like we've been going around fighting lately, but are quite useless against enemies with even slight technological progress. If this conflict continues we're going to see a lot of US assets in fragments.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by unholyguy001 on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:22AM (#47627755)
It’s mind boggling how wrong that statement manages to be in only two sentences. It’s like every word manages to be wrong multiple times

Hats off to you sir

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by davidcollantes on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:42AM (#47628064)
OP sentences have issues, but I understood what they meant.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by 01100011 on Friday April 03, 2026 @03:53PM (#47631377)
I don't even know why I clicked on this thread. It's like reading a thread on economics or other topics where we tech folk think our success at pushing around bits makes us instant expert on anything we ponder.

Most of the responses here are either demonstrating a heavy bias, an utter lack of background knowledge or both.

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by ModernMech on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:18AM (#47627689)
It reminds me of a Age of Empires campaign I played at a LAN from a long while back, where the game went on for 20 hours and ended in a stalemate between an atomic age player and a very primitive age player. The atomic player had total control of the map, they were carpet bombing the entire thing with nuclear weapons. But they could only create them so fast while the primitive player was running around on horses, just surviving enough to prevent the other player from winning. The only reason the game ended was because I tripped over the power cord to one of the computers.

To me, that's what modern warfare looks like.

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by webstrand on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:34AM (#47627930)
Ah, you mean Empire Earth. I loved that game, it had a great soundtrack.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by vbarrielle on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:44AM (#47628093)
Sounds like it indeed. The balance was... interesting, a single tank could not win against a dozen cavemen.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by rbanffy on Friday April 03, 2026 @12:26PM (#47628689)
Weapons are designed with an opponent in mind, and guarded against the expected threat models from that opponent. Everything breaks down when the opponent does not what you want them to.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by hackable_sand on Friday April 03, 2026 @03:26PM (#47631007)
I don't see how a single tank could win against 12 cavemen, but I digress. It's a video game.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by ModernMech on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:46AM (#47628121)
Right right Empire Earth! My memory is a little fuzzy it must have been 20 years ago.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by buildbot on Friday April 03, 2026 @03:52PM (#47631361)
Empire earth slapped so hard. Both 1 and 2. Honestly now that I’m thinking about it, going to set aside some time this weekend and play it again!
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by probably_wrong on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:29AM (#47627845)
I don't remember Age of Empires having an atomic age?
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by eqvinox on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:34AM (#47627941)
It was probably Rise of Nations or one of the other similar games.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by MrChoke on Friday April 03, 2026 @12:25PM (#47628665)
If I had to guess I think they meant empire earth instead.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by hypeatei on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:14AM (#47627617)
> If this conflict continues we're going to see a lot of US assets in fragments.

Yep, Iran recently destroyed a high tech radar plane ("AWACS") at a base in Saudi Arabia: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/iran-war-attack-us-base-s...

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by jeffbee on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:17AM (#47627661)
It's only "high tech" to the aforementioned cavemen. To everyone else it's a 707 you can't even get spare tires for any more, equipped with some truly obsolete technology aboard. I mean it has a mechanical waveguide for crying out loud.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by paganel on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:19AM (#47627709)
> equipped with some truly obsolete technology aboard.

So I guess the US won't have any issues replacing it at a cheaper cost (as far as I understood that one cost $500 million, give or take).

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by jeffbee on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:23AM (#47627761)
The prototype E-7 cost $2 billion. It's a 737 with some radios.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by eqvinox on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:39AM (#47628003)
"On 22 March 2019, the UK Defence Secretary announced a $1.98 billion contract to purchase five Boeing E-7 Wedgetails"

Prototype price isn't really that meaningful

(Also it's a 767 not a 737, that was the E-3 I think.)

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by jeffbee on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:53AM (#47628227)
You must be thinking of a different boondoggle, the E-767, which is the obsolete radar package from the E-3 bolted to a 767. The E-7 is a 737.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by eqvinox on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:55AM (#47628259)
Ah right, it's a bit confusing between the bunch of these.

Nonetheless the price tag was only $400M/ea E-7 for the UK in 2019 (usual later price shenanigans not included)

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by Telemakhos on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:19AM (#47627702)
When the first-tier hostile leadership structure was eliminated in the first day of the war, and only after a month do the surviving enemies finally manage to damage a plane so severely that it can't return to a friendly base to land, is "quite useless" an adequate and accurate description of the technology used to prosecute that war?
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by rbanffy on Friday April 03, 2026 @12:16PM (#47628548)
When you decapitate a well organised military, all you achieve is installing a new enemy you know little about you can’t predict their actions and that now know they are fighting for their own survival.

Not the best place to be.

Americans seem to underestimate everyone else.

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by br121 on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:47AM (#47628133)
It's useful in saving the pilot's life. With less advanced tecnologies, more pilots would have been shoot down. It's useful in targeted attacks, but they have proved themself uneffective (at least for now) as the new leadership is alined with the objective of the replaced one. It's close to useless when it comes to making the war cost-effective, which start being a relevant metric when the conflict start lasting too long. Of course the US has a bigger economy, so all the news about cheaper systems damaging or destroying quite expensive ones may still lead to a US victory, but a costly one for sure
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by rbanffy on Friday April 03, 2026 @12:17PM (#47628568)
As the Soviet Union made us learn, you don’t need a big military victory to make your enemy spend themselves into defeat.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by eqvinox on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:33AM (#47627909)
Whether you have specific leadership or not doesn't matter much to (a) having to adapt to the enemy and learn what works, and (b) probability just doing its thing, more chances and so on, and (c) US leadership descending the oceans of stupidity all the way to the Mariana trench.
Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by rbanffy on Friday April 03, 2026 @12:18PM (#47628584)
> US leadership descending the oceans of stupidity all the way to the Mariana trench.

And they voted for this not only once, but twice.

Re:U.S. fighter jet shot down in Iran, search underway for crew by tokai on Friday April 03, 2026 @11:21AM (#47627730)
A month after the president claims total air superiority over Iran and complete destruction of their anti air capabilities.