You can debate what policies are the most fair without calling trans women "men."

> You can debate what policies are the most fair without calling trans women "men."

You're correct - man/woman are gender identities, male/female are biological facts. The more accurate version of that statement (which, btw, is not mine, I am just repeating what the complaints are) is:

"Females don't want to compete with males."

Happy?

Considering I was asking whether there was evidence on trans-performance, sure it matters a little.

That's fine if they don't want to compete with men, but the statements were because "it's unfair". I was curious if there had been any studies on this.

> Considering I was asking whether there was evidence on trans-performance, sure it matters a little.

Well, (and I hesitate to say this because of HN guidelines, but) it was in the article, which I assumed you read. It was this assumption that made me think you wanted evidence that it is women who are complaining about competing against men.

FTFA

> Late last year Dr. Jane Thornton, the I.O.C.’s medical and scientific director and a Canadian former Olympic rower, presented the initial findings of a review of athletes who are transgender or have differences of sexual development, known as DSD, and are competing in women’s sports. That analysis, which has not been made public, stated athletes born with male sexual markers retained physical advantages, including among those that had received treatment to reduce testosterone.

I don't see that anywhere in the linked Yahoo article.

Does it have a link to any of the findings?

The linked article is to the nytimes. I dunno which article is the yahoo one. This story was on the nytimes, it's the one under discussion.

> Does it have a link to any of the findings?

The findings I posted where from the linked article, to the nytimes. The findings were exactly as I posted them; in brief, athletes born with male markers retain their physical advantages.

There’s probably a reason the analysis has not been made public.

It’s not evidence until published because it can’t be disputed.

I can't believe you need a study to show that a man turned woman has an advantage. It's clear men vs women have an advantage in almost every discipline... So are you simply unsure if the transition process doesn't totally ruin them and degrade their performance to that of a woman?

"I can't believe you won't embrace our simplistic bigoted narrative with zero proof".

The world records and overall sport results by male/female are the proof.