The copout answer is it depends. I've debugged sloppy code in React both before and after LLMs were commonly used. I've also debugged very well-written custom frameworks before and after LLMs.

I think with proper guardrails and verification/validation, a custom framework could be easier to maintain than sloppy React code (or insert popular framework here).

My point is that as long as we keep the status quo of how software is built (using popular tools that male it fast and easy to build software without LLMs that often were unperformant), we'll keep heading down this path of trying to solve the problems of frameworks instead of directly solving the problems with our app.

(BTW, it was your comment to my comment that inspired my comment, talk about meta! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47512874 )

If the LLM doing it, it doesn't matter, isn't that the point?

Not saying I personally believe in this scenario, but everything I've heard supports the idea that code is no longer for humans to consume.

You are going to allow a product from a company you have no reason to trust write important software for you and put it into production without checking the code to see what it does?

I agree with you, which makes me seem like the laggard at work. Devil's advocate is that AI-native development will use AI to ask these questions and such. So whether it's a framework or standard lib, def agree knowing your stuff is what matters, but the tools to demonstrate this knowledge is fast in flux.

Again, I am on the slow train. But this seems to be all I hear. "code optimized for humans" is marked for death.

had another thought on my drive just now. nextjs is really fantastic with LLM usage because there's so much body of work to source from. previously i found nextjs unbearable to work with with its bespoke isomorphic APIs. too dense, too many nuances, too much across the stack.

with LLMs it spit it out amazingly fast. but does that make nextjs the framework better or worse in design paradigms, that LLM is basically necessary to navigate it?

A lot of us use software written by other people we have no reason to trust and we haven't reviewed - most of open source libraries.

At least with any open source library I use, many other people have.

Yeah a nice thing about OSS is that they usually come with a community and you can ask questions or even submit bug fixes.