Re:Miscellanea: The War in Iran
by throwaway290 on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @02:03PM
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> Now, maybe Wikipedia has the wrong summary
Wikipedia has a lot wrong...
Yes, and a lot right. If you think it's wrong in this particular case, please elaborate.
Re:Miscellanea: The War in Iran
by throwaway290 on Thursday March 26, 2026 @01:08AM
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I don't need to elaborate if you know it's an open encyclopedia, everybody with any interest in particular version of events edits wikipedia how they want.
if it's a topic sensitive to particular country's interests in the language of that country you can be 190% sure someone did
they don't even allow to use wikipedia as a source for children in school but in this case it's just sad.
Re:Miscellanea: The War in Iran
by FrontierProject on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @04:51PM
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From Wikipedia:"Such defeat can be attributed to various shortfalls in simulation capabilities and design that significantly hindered Blue Force fighting and command capabilities. Examples include: a time lag in intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance information being forwarded to the Blue Force by the simulation master, various glitches that limited Blue ships point-defense capabilities and error in the simulation which placed ships unrealistically close to Red assets."
It definitely seems like there were issues with RedFors achievments. But the response is still ridiculous. I would have also resigned in ReFor's shoes.
This is not what Wikipedia's summary describes. Now, maybe Wikipedia has the wrong summary, but according to it the challenge wasn't "discredited". By that point the exercise was over, but 13 more days were budgeted for, so the analysts requested their forces to be resurrected so they could play out the rest of the days, with artificial restrictions so that the rest of the challenge was effectively scripted and left no room for the OPFOR to try novel tactics.
One of the generals (of the blue team) is quoted as saying: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"
Also:
> The postmortem JFCOM report on MC02 would say "As the exercise progressed, the OPFOR free-play was eventually constrained to the point where the end state was scripted. This scripting ensured a blue team operational victory and established conditions in the exercise for transition operations."