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Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by mikkupikku on Saturday March 21, 2026 @12:59PM (#47468810)
They have a very long track record of pretending to be independent but actually toeing the government's line at key pivotal moments in history when an independent newspaper is needed the most. Everybody here knows how they helped start the second Iraq war I hope, but that wasn't a one-off fluke. Go back through the major wars in American history and you can find the New York Times championing the cause of war before each of these. World Was 2, they uncritically accepted Walter Durranty letting Stalin ghostwrite for him, specifically w.r.t. Stalin's man-made famine in Ukraine, because America was allied with Stalin. WWI, frequent editorializing of Germans being wild Asiatic savages while the Anglos were good and noble people that Americans owed something to for some reason nobody could explain. Vietnam, they uncritically accepted government reports on the second Gulf of Tonkin incident which never happened and broadly accepted the governments own reports about how the war was going, at least in the early years when it still might have been possible to avoid further engagement. Korean war, they supported the government narrative of communist containment. First Iraq War, they uncritically reported very dubious atrocity propaganda, like the fraudulent "Nayirah testimony" given by the teenage daughter of a diplomat pretending to be a politically uninvolved hospital worker.

The pattern here is deference to official narratives at precisely the times when criticism is needed the most.

Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by martey on Saturday March 21, 2026 @01:50PM (#47469386)
> World Was 2, they uncritically accepted Walter Durranty letting Stalin ghostwrite for him, specifically w.r.t. Stalin's man-made famine in Ukraine, because America was allied with Stalin.

Duranty's New York Times articles were written in 1931, a decade before America entered World War II. They not only predate an American alliance with the Soviet Union, but they also predate the United States having any diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union whatsoever.

> Go back through the major wars in American history and you can find the New York Times championing the cause of war before each of these.

Are there other major American newspapers who have a history of dissenting against war? Wasn't the New York Times' behavior in most of the conflicts you mention in line with American popular opinion?

Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by mikkupikku on Saturday March 21, 2026 @01:59PM (#47469481)
The American political apparatus was already normalizing relations with the Soviet Union due to the Japanese invasion of Manchuria (1931, which is when WW2 truly started), due to the great depression in America making alliance with the Soviets look economically advantageous for America, and due to political instability in Germany and Italy. There was a strong sense of shit hitting the fan soon and that America would be with the Soviet Union through it. FDR officially recognized the Soviet Union in 1933, during the peak of Stalin's famine in Ukraine, which the New York Times was actively denying.

As for other newspapers, the Times isn't worse but bears the brunt of the criticism because they are after all America's foremost, most influential newspaper.

Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by martey on Saturday March 21, 2026 @04:36PM (#47471030)
Your comment is full of historical revisionism. The Second World War has little or nothing to do with the Holodomor. The Times' lack of reporting on it has nothing to do with American foreign policy (both Duranty and Gareth Jones were British) and everything to do with credulous reporters. The idea that America and the Soviet Union would be natural allies was not the majority viewpoint in the 1930s (outside of American communist propaganda) and is clearly disproved by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by lyu07282 on Saturday March 21, 2026 @05:16PM (#47471468)
> Wasn't the New York Times' behavior in most of the conflicts you mention in line with American popular opinion?

Dear god, what? I love the unintentional satire its so funny. "Its fine if the media lies to the people if the people believe the lies." That's low even for this stemlord dumpsterfire of a platform

Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by martey on Saturday March 21, 2026 @05:48PM (#47471799)
> "Its fine if the media lies to the people if the people believe the lies."

That is low, but that's neither a direct quote or not an accurate paraphrase of my comment. While I realize that the comment I replied was edited after my response to talk about lying in more recent conflicts (which might be causing your confusion), I don't think you (like OP) are trying to make the argument that the New York Times is bad because of their reporting in the 1930s.

Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by martey on Saturday March 21, 2026 @05:42PM (#47471742)
It's bad etiquette to edit your comment after people have replied to it without showing what your edits were. Please do not do this.
Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by nikisweeting on Sunday March 22, 2026 @04:37AM (#47475567)
Doesn't HN prevent that? I thought edits lock upon the first reply.
Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by martey on Sunday March 22, 2026 @04:55PM (#47482033)
Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by nikisweeting on Tuesday March 24, 2026 @02:43PM (#47507291)
Weird, I dont have any edit option on my comment after you replied.

Maybe it's a karma-gated feature?

Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by philipkglass on Tuesday March 24, 2026 @02:44PM (#47507307)
I don't think that it is karma-gated, but you can only edit the comment for two hours after it's posted. Then it's frozen.
Re:Blocking Internet Archive Won't Stop AI, but Will Erase W... by nikisweeting on Tuesday March 24, 2026 @03:55PM (#47508175)
Ah that makes sense.