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Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by unethical_ban on Thursday March 19, 2026 @04:22AM (#47436398)
Some would say that housing is a right (while acknowledging the need for housing construction and its workers and supplies to be paid for) and that it should be funded somehow, even if the free marker profit becomes negative during certain periods. Like any market manipulation, the question then would be how to intervene to keep housing construction going when construction isn't profitable, while not fomenting corruption in the industry.
Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by scoofy on Thursday March 19, 2026 @04:52AM (#47436586)
Housing where? Is housing for me in Malibu a human right? There's plenty of places to live in Texas for basically nothing.

I'm honestly trying to take this seriously, but I really can't square the problem of location and utility. On of the reasons why West Virginia has such a low homeless rate is just that mobile homes and manufactured housing is pretty much legal in many areas around the state. One of the reasons why California is so expensive is that those types of inexpensive housing options are effectively illegal statewide.

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by watwut on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:22AM (#47436774)
> There's plenty of places to live in Texas for basically nothing.

What are the employment options there? If I move to a cheap house somewhere where there are no jobs for me, I just moved somewhere where I cant afford.

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by scoofy on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:36AM (#47436862)
>If I move to a cheap house somewhere

Again, I'm not trying to be difficult here, but "where" is "somewhere." There are jobs in Austin, San Antonio, Kerrville, Marfa, and El Paso. They might not all be for me, but they exist in all these places. Where you live and what your commute is, again, is not exactly something that's particularly trivial to define. At what point should I start looking in San Antonio rather than Austin?

These are hard questions. This is what I mean when I ask whether I have a right to housing in Malibu? At what point should I be expected to just move to East LA?

At the end of the day, housing in Austin is relatively inexpensive. There are real options below $300K. Living in SF, it's pretty astounding that that's even possible within the city limits, much less at reasonable commuting distances.

I certainly think incentivizing subsidized low income housing is worthwhile, and I think even incentivizing builders to just target the low income price points is also worthwhile. I just think that focusing on subsidizing the lowest income folks, rather than letting markets actually work for most people has been shown to trivially fail in CA where I live at actually accomplishing anything. A lot of "ugly" 5-over-1's have been built in Austin, and it's working to keep the place affordable for working class people. I'm absolutely fine with that.

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by miyoji on Thursday March 19, 2026 @01:07PM (#47442585)
> At the end of the day, housing in Austin is relatively inexpensive. There are real options below $300K.

This is so insanely out of touch. Most people will never be able to afford a house over $200k, even in Austin. I live here, you apparently live in California. As a resident, let me tell you that Austin is not affordable, and definitely not "inexpensive". Housing here is relatively inexpensive compared to the most expensive metros in the world, it's not relatively inexpensive compared to the US housing market, or more relevantly, the Texas housing market. This isn't the Bay Area, it's the middle of Texas.

> A lot of "ugly" 5-over-1's have been built in Austin, and it's working to keep the place affordable for working class people.

Austin isn't affordable for working class people and it hasn't been for a long time, so no, those new constructions aren't keeping it affordable, they've just stopped the insane rent increases that were coming every year for more than a decade. A living wage in Austin for a single person is $100,000, for a family it's $200,000, and that is well above the median household income of ~$90,000. Working class people are well below the median and aren't making $90,000 per year. These numbers are from an article in our local newspaper from this week. [0]

[0] https://www.statesman.com/news/local/article/austin-cost-of-...

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by scoofy on Thursday March 19, 2026 @02:55PM (#47444142)
I literally grew up in Austin. I understand the Austin housing market. I understand is not cheap. That doesn’t mean it’s not affordable.

According to your article:

> Based on those costs, MIT estimates the living wage for a family of four in the Austin metro area is $112,866 a year, or $49,322 for an individual.

That’s well below median household income.

> The organization created a “Household Survival Budget,” which includes housing, child care, food, transportation, health care, technology, taxes and miscellaneous expenses. According to the group’s estimates, the living wage for a family of four in Travis County is $102,096 with two kids in child care and $85,356 with no kids in child care. For a single adult, the survival budget is $39,924.

Again. When we are talking about the housing crisis in the Bay Area, we are talking about small condos costing $1M. Just forget having anything be closer to median income affordable for a family of four. In Austin that’s still possible. It’s not Milwaukee, but it’s a functioning housing market.

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by zozbot234 on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:23AM (#47436782)
You can always work full remote. Or maybe you're an elderly retiree.
Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by TimPC on Thursday March 19, 2026 @08:44AM (#47438416)
Elderly retirees seldom move. They’ve long paid off their mortgage and we keep property taxes extremely low so they are pretty much immune to the cost of housing. Once you put down roots in a community it’s hard to leave.
Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by angmarsbane on Thursday March 19, 2026 @03:58PM (#47445011)
They also usually don't want to leave their established doctors. This is actually one of the reasons why we need mixed-housing options within neighborhoods so that elderly people can downsize into more manageable one and two bedroom apartments, condos, or duplexes etc without having to leave the neighborhood. Downsize into housing stock without stairs, without a large yard to upkeep, downsize into something smaller that would be more affordable to adapt for someone aging in place.
Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by vel0city on Thursday March 19, 2026 @10:18AM (#47439944)
> Texas led the nation in job creation in 2025, adding more nonfarm jobs than any other state and setting multiple employment records

https://www.wfaa.com/article/money/business/everything-bigge...

As someone who has lived here for a long while, it seems like there are lots of jobs in a lot of industries here. We're not all oil riggers and cowboys.

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday March 19, 2026 @01:40PM (#47443055)
Yeah seriously... when I was dirt poor and hurting, I moved to Shreveport and was able to get by on minimum wage. There's plenty of places in the Deep South where one may live a decent life for moderate wages. Not everyone gets to live the life of Riley.
Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by kakacik on Thursday March 19, 2026 @04:39AM (#47436496)
... but your own housing isn't any form of basic human right, its a luxury all around the world and always has been. Now I completely understand folks who come out of uni and see the salaries (sans faangs and generally devs and few other lucky positions), the prices and the emotions of missing out come easily.

But it isn't a right, just because you would like it. Same as I don't have a right to a car at price I would like, just because I live, by my choice, in rural environment close to nature. I desperately need one though for work commute, shopping, taking kids to school etc so thats as non-optional as accommodation to existence of my family. I can either suck up car's actual prices, move whole family so I don't need it or do similar choices in life to tackle that.

But car ain't a right. Same as your own accommodation, of course not a modest small apartment but a house, ideally close to work, amenities, schools, and costing peanuts. Literally what everyone else wants. Or am I incorrect in your expectations? Because if yes, its easy to accept cheap remote small old properties, those aren't expensive for above-average earners at all, anywhere.

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by RobotToaster on Thursday March 19, 2026 @07:24AM (#47437587)
> its a luxury all around the world

China has a 96% homeownership rate.

Kazakhstan 98%

Laos, Romania, and Albania 95%

Slovakia 93%

Russia 92%

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by bo0tzz on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:24AM (#47436790)
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 25.1:

> Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by bpt3 on Thursday March 19, 2026 @06:51AM (#47437336)
So if I declare a right to immortality, then no one dies?

It's almost like those words are the product of useless bureaucrats, rather than an actual right.

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by unethical_ban on Thursday March 19, 2026 @07:00AM (#47437390)
That is a disingenuous counterexample.
Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by bpt3 on Thursday March 19, 2026 @10:37AM (#47440281)
It's really not.

What happens if everyone takes this declaration at face value and decides to be unemployed? Who pays for all the services that every person is entitled to?

Re:Austin's Surge of New Housing Construction Drove Down Rents by unethical_ban on Thursday March 19, 2026 @06:27AM (#47437146)
Positive rights and negative rights. Societies can and often do guarantee rights that place an obligation on society and others to fulfill. In the US, we have a right to emergency medical care regardless of ability to pay. We have a right to a fair trial and representation. In NYC, the city is obligated to provide shelter for the homeless. Some thing that should be more universal. Not all questions can be answered by me right now.