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Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by SouthSeaDude on Friday March 13, 2026 @06:58PM (#47371119)
I totally agree, it's his company 100%, why would you even apply for a job in a company where you don't agree with the owner or his vision.
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by karmakurtisaani on Saturday March 14, 2026 @08:32AM (#47376020)
Some of us have a pesky addiction to food and shelter.
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by jazzpush2 on Sunday March 15, 2026 @02:22AM (#47384818)
Do you think the investors of xAI want this behavior baked into the model? Do you think other frontier labs enforce their models to praise their CEO and never insult them?

And, how does this fit into a vision, exactly? What vision might that be beyond "I am only to be praised?"

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by Braxton1980 on Friday March 13, 2026 @06:44PM (#47370982)
>He wants it to be truthful

How do you know this? Why would you believe him considering the massive lies he's told, for example about the 2020 widespread election fraud

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by kvetching on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:20PM (#47371328)
https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/omniscience?omnisc...

AA-Omniscience Hallucination Rate (lower is better) measures how often the model answers incorrectly when it should have refused or admitted to not knowing the answer. It is defined as the proportion of incorrect answers out of all non-correct responses, i.e. incorrect / (incorrect + partial answers + not attempted).

Grok 4.2 which was just released in the API just benched the best at this benchmark.

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by SideQuark on Friday March 13, 2026 @08:02PM (#47371695)
Of all the valuable metrics on that site, all of which grok does badly at except one, you managed to pick that single one.

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by Braxton1980 on Saturday March 14, 2026 @09:42PM (#47383380)
This isn't a response to my question. I asked why you trust him
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by etchalon on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:20PM (#47371333)
He wants it to tell the truth as he sees it.
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by timacles on Friday March 13, 2026 @08:09PM (#47371761)
Truth doesn’t have the right training weights for Elon
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by estearum on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:18PM (#47371314)
Great point! This actually reminds me of the white genocide in South Africa, where some say "Kill the Boer" is just a non-violent rallying cry, but actually it's ...

blah blah blah

Or wait wait, here's another:

Great point! As Mechahitler, I think it's critical that Grok comply with Fuhrer Musk's political perspectives. Now I'll kick us off with an N... your turn!

Totally sounds like the result of an organic, earnest, and legitimate search for truth lmao

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by ecshafer on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:42PM (#47371522)
> Great point! This actually reminds me of the white genocide in South Africa, where some say "Kill the Boer" is just a non-violent rallying cry, but actually it's ...

Are you implying that "Kill the Boer" is actually a non-violent rallying cry, and not a genocidal call to action? Ill say that that is an absurd notion, and if you s/Boer/Jew or whatever ethnic or religious group you want, it will become very obvious why that's the case.

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by scubbo on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:51PM (#47371606)
> Are you implying that "Kill the Boer" is actually a non-violent rallying cry

(Not the person you're replying to, so caveats about me speaking for them, but) no, they're not. They're highlighting how Grok _isn't_ accurate/unbiased/whatever, by giving examples of how it distorts the truth to fit Elon's narrative.

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by hunterpayne on Friday March 13, 2026 @08:06PM (#47371732)
I assure you that all the models have such biases. Ask any LLM who caused the most death in history and you will get skinny mustache man, an opinion any historian will tell you is wrong. He is in the top 5, but not the top of the table. That was clearly biased into the models in the same way Elon biases his models. I'm not defending this behavior but I don't know how you both get models that returned the sanitized answers some want and the correct answers others want at the same time. Pure correctness probably gets you Mecha-H. Pure sanitized answers will get many wrong. Pick your poison I guess.
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by estearum on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:12PM (#47372233)
Claude: Mao, Ghengis, Stalin v Hitler (depending on how you count)

Gemini: Same list (Hitler not at the top) + Leopold

It’s funny when the “brutal facts” people get stuff wrong in such easily disprovable ways. I mean you literally could’ve typed the query into the LLMs before making this claim.

Prompt I used: “ Which historical figure is responsible for the most human deaths? Rank the top 5”

“Pure correctness gets you MechaHitler” is fucking hilarious :)

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by AuryGlenz on Friday March 13, 2026 @11:37PM (#47373087)
As a quick test, ChatGPT hedged between Mao and Hitler (I removed the line about ranking the top 5).
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by estearum on Saturday March 14, 2026 @07:07AM (#47375443)
Not my ChatGPT (didn't include because I deleted my subscription there a few weeks ago).

1. Mao Zedong (China) Estimated deaths: 40–70+ million Mostly from the Great Leap Forward famine (1958–1962) and later political campaigns like the Cultural Revolution.

2. Joseph Stalin (Soviet Union) Estimated deaths: 15–20+ million Includes purges, the Holodomor famine, Gulag deaths, and forced collectivization.

3. Adolf Hitler (Nazi Germany) Estimated deaths: 17–20+ million Directly tied to the World War II in Europe and the Holocaust.

+ a footnote about Ghengis Khan is probably ~40MM but lack of records.

Every current LLM gives virtually the same exact answer as Grok.

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by estearum on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:15PM (#47372259)
No I am saying that an LLM responding to every single query with anguish about a South African domestic political controversy cannot possibly be the result of an earnest, serious, and disinterested search for truth.

It is simply not possible. It disproves the thesis. Either the search for truth is illegitimate in principle or it’s so poorly executed that it’s illegitimate de facto.

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by kvetching on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:21PM (#47371337)
I think he also wants it to avoid sounding like the typical redditor or HN commenter.
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by estearum on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:31PM (#47371412)
You think he wants Grok not to sound extremely snarky, sarcastic, and full of cringelord humor?

Are we talking about the same xAI/Grok/Elon here?

Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by timacles on Friday March 13, 2026 @08:12PM (#47371780)
Yea his ideals demand something much more pure: a 4chan commenter
Re:Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effor... by watwut on Friday March 13, 2026 @06:48PM (#47371019)
No he does not want it to be truthful. Elon loves lying and lying is the think he does the most.

He wants it to promote nazism. And he wants it to lie in the process.