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Re:Iran warns U.S. tech firms could become targets as war ex... by jmyeet on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @06:47PM (#47343417)
Which "millions"? There's a lot to choose from. Oh, for context, John Mearscheimer puts the estimate on those killed by US sanctions (across all countries we've done this to) at 38 million [1].

I always have to bring up the sanctions on Iraq after Saddam was no longer our puppet. A UN report in the mid-1990s claimed US sanctions had killed 500,000 Iraqi children. Then UN ambassador and later Secretary of State Madeline Albright responded by saying "the price was wroth it" [2].

As for the Iran-Iraq war, there are many estimates of the total deaths (across both sides) exceeding a million eg [3].

[1]: https://www.tiktok.com/@trtworld/video/7615994489991122194

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1T5JRVR53Eo

[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/23/iran-iraq-war-...

Re:Iran warns U.S. tech firms could become targets as war ex... by xyzzy123 on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @07:39PM (#47344094)
Iraq I will grant you, those sanctions were a travesty. Cuba bad too.

In general, I don't find the argument that there were 38 million deaths from sanctions very convicing. That estimate is based on excess deaths and correlation. It is serious work. But it doesn't establish causal structure.

What I mean is, those studies don't have the power to distinguish between (regime -> sanctions -> deaths) vs (regime -> deaths + regime -> sanctions).

I would definitely agree that sanctions cost lives (e.g. unavailability of specialist medicines) but I don't see a specific mechanism whereby they cause "millions" of deaths without a complete failure of local governance.

Re:Iran warns U.S. tech firms could become targets as war ex... by the_af on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:42PM (#47355300)
> A UN report in the mid-1990s claimed US sanctions had killed 500,000 Iraqi children. Then UN ambassador and later Secretary of State Madeline Albright responded by saying "the price was worth it"

These kind of statements make my blood curdle. Much like Iran today, Iraq back then posed no threat to the US. So when Albright made these calculations, that "as much as it pained her", those 500,000 dead Iraqi children were "worth it", as long as Iraq threatened its neighbors blah blah blah... she's was being very, very callous. A war criminal wouldn't have said it better.

"I'm willing to sacrifice children from some other country, as long as our military objectives are met, for the greater good!".

I wonder if Albright would have made the same calculus were those children from her home town.

Also, this in my mind goes to show this isn't a partisan issue. Democrats/Republicans, they are all pretty callous with wars in foreign lands. Trump is just very obnoxious about it, and pretty bad at planning, but they are all universally terrible.