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Re:What Is a Tort? by piker on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @04:41PM (#47341337)
For those interested, the statement of facts in Palsgraf is regarded as some of the best legal writing of all time. It's really quite interesting in both its lack of detail but clarity.

> Plaintiff was standing on a platform of defendant's railroad after buying a ticket to go to Rockaway Beach. A train stopped at the station, bound for another place. Two men ran forward to catch it. One of the men reached the platform of the car without mishap, though the train was already moving. The other man, carrying a package, jumped aboard the car, but seemed unsteady as if about to fall. A guard on the car, who had held the door open, reached forward to help him in, and another guard on the platform pushed him from behind. In this act, the package was dislodged, and fell upon the rails. It was a package of small size, about fifteen inches long, and was covered by a newspaper. In fact it contained fireworks, but there was nothing in its appearance to give notice of its contents. The fireworks when they fell exploded. The shock of the explosion threw down some scales at the other end of the platform, many feet away. The scales struck the plaintiff, causing injuries for which she sues.

Re:What Is a Tort? by rkagerer on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @05:30PM (#47342251)
For anyone wondering, she (plaintiff) won at a jury trial and an appeal, but the railroad appealed again and ultimately won as the judges determined tort requires a breach of a duty of care to the individual harmed and the consequence of the guard's actions was not foreseeable.
Re:What Is a Tort? by rkagerer on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @05:55PM (#47342644)
I wonder if she'd have had better luck against the guy who dangerously hopped the train while carrying explosive material. Or in the post-911 world where society seems to have normalized a more paranoid level of expectations around security.
Re:What Is a Tort? by piker on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @05:56PM (#47342663)
Professor: and what might the railroad in this case have that the train-hopping man lacks?
Re:What Is a Tort? by rkagerer on Thursday March 12, 2026 @04:38PM (#47356734)
Of course, but it doesn't stop me wondering.
Re:What Is a Tort? by tptacek on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @05:11PM (#47341947)
"The scales startled a sleeping cat inside the station. The cat lept in alarm, claws bared, and clung to a length of cord. Suspended by the cord was a small anvil, dangling above a board balanced atop a saw horse. Frayed from the cat's claws, the cord severed, and the anvil plunged towards one end of the board. On the other end of that board was a marble..."
Re:What Is a Tort? by DebtDeflation on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @05:25PM (#47342175)
This comment brought me back in time 40+ years to a Saturday morning perched in front of our TV. Thank you.
Re:What Is a Tort? by rzzzt on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @06:00PM (#47342717)
Re:What Is a Tort? by behehebd on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @05:24PM (#47342160)
Sue the enthusiastic butterfly in 2004
Re:What Is a Tort? by pseudohadamard on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @10:39PM (#47345701)
Now when the bricks had fallen from the barrel to the floor

I then outweighed the barrel and I started down once more

I clung on tightly to the rope, and sped toward the ground --

And landed on the broken bricks a-lying all around.

I lay there groaning on the ground and thought I'd passed the worst

When the barrel hit the pulley wheel, and then the bottom burst

A shower of bricks came down on me, 'twas then I gave up hope

And lying there upon the ground, I let go the bloody rope.

[...]

Re:What Is a Tort? by jfengel on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @05:28PM (#47342224)
So that's what counts as good legal writing, huh?

I see a lot of extraneous detail (e.g. "bound for another place", "a package of small size, about fifteen inches long, and was covered by a newspaper"). The sentence "The fireworks when they fell exploded" is clunky.

It's also missing the critical detail of who she is suing. The point of the story is to explain how she got injured, but gives no idea who is actually involved. The guards? The other man who got on the train and vanished from the story? (Turns out it's the railroad company, who is not mentioned in the story at all.)

Wikipedia summarizes the relevant facts in one sentence:

Two men attempted to board the train before [the plaintiff's]; one (aided by railroad employees) dropped a package that exploded, causing a large coin-operated scale on the platform to hit her.

Incidentally, can you set off fireworks just by dropping them? That sounds unlikely to me.

Re:What Is a Tort? by ectocardia on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @05:47PM (#47342499)
There's a bit of advocacy involved here-- the writer is trying to convince you that the sequence of events was so absurd as to be not "foreseeable". Other than that, I agree with you that it's a bit verbose; it's just how a lot of these judgments were written back then.
Re:What Is a Tort? by NoboruWataya on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @06:20PM (#47343012)
Court decisions are often prosaic, even flowery; brevity is not the primary (or at least, certainly not the sole) metric by which they are judged.

That said, I don't really see what is special about the quoted passage either. I have read many decisions and this seems pretty standard for a recounting of the basic facts.

Re:What Is a Tort? by piker on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @06:14PM (#47342902)
> Incidentally, can you set off fireworks just by dropping them? That sounds unlikely to me.

I understand there is speculation that Cardozo downplayed a suspicion that these were some kind of domestic terrorists carrying actual explosives.

Re:What Is a Tort? by singleshot_ on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @06:40PM (#47343312)
> story? (Turns out it's the railroad company, who is not mentioned in the story at all.)

Palsgraf v. LIRR, it’s right there in the caption.

Re:What Is a Tort? by jfengel on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @07:24PM (#47343907)
It's in the caption but there's no indication of how they fit into the story. If this is a recounting of the facts of the matter, I'd expect LIRR to say "there is no suggestion that we were involved at all".
Re:What Is a Tort? by PepperdineG on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @11:40PM (#47346173)
Given the mention of Rockaway this sounds like a story that Richard Feynman would tell about how his wife.