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Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by holyra on Friday March 06, 2026 @05:38AM (#47273262)
what about the environmental impact of AI, especially agentic AI? I keep reading praise for AI on the orange site, but its environmental impact is rarely discussed. It seems that everyone has already adopted this technology, which is destroying our world a little more.
Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by wartywhoa23 on Friday March 06, 2026 @06:01AM (#47273440)
All environmental impacts are equal, but some of them are more equal than the others!
Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by holyra on Friday March 06, 2026 @07:21AM (#47274090)
This comes from a dystopian book (Animal Farm). What is your point?
Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by wartywhoa23 on Friday March 06, 2026 @07:52AM (#47274356)
If you read the book, my point should be crystal clear - that environmental impact which aligns with The Party goals (shareholder profits) the best, is painted the least concerning of all.
Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by bob1029 on Friday March 06, 2026 @05:49AM (#47273341)
I believe the orange site's consensus was that it's approximately one additional mini fridge or dish washer worth of consumption on average. You've got users who use these tools barely 1k tokens per week. Assuming it's all batched ideally that's like running an LED floodlight for a minute or so. The other end of the spectrum can be pretty extreme in consumption but it's also rare. Most people just use the adhoc stuff.
Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by dist-epoch on Friday March 06, 2026 @06:01AM (#47273438)
The environmental impact of AI replacing a human programmer is orders of magnitude lower than the environmental impact of that programmer. Look up average US water consumption and CO2 emissions per capita.

And then add on top the environmental impact of all of the money that programmer gets from programming - travels around the world, buying large houses, ...

If you care about the environment, you should want AI's replacing humans at most jobs so that they can no longer afford traveling around the world and buying extravagant stuff.

Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by holyra on Friday March 06, 2026 @07:19AM (#47274080)
Yes the environmental impact of an AI agent performing a given task is lower. However we will not simply replace every programmer with an agent: in the process we will use more agents exceeding the previous environmental impact of humans. This is the rebound effect [0].

Your reasoning could be effective if we bounded the computing resources usable by all AI in order to meet carbon reduction goals.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebound_effect_(conservation)

Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by wartywhoa23 on Friday March 06, 2026 @06:03AM (#47273453)
So you mean that human programmers who were replaced by AI are dead by now?

"You'll be fine digging trenches, programmer", they said.

Seriously, though:

...so that they can no longer afford traveling around the world...

This is either a sarcasm I failed to parse, or pure technofascism.

Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by bdangubic on Friday March 06, 2026 @06:05AM (#47273469)
on top of that for sure all programmers AI is replacing are all extravagantly traveling around the world (especially ones in America that make the most dough and 90% do not have a passport)
Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by coldtea on Friday March 06, 2026 @08:41AM (#47274774)
>The environmental impact of AI replacing a human programmer is orders of magnitude lower than the environmental impact of that programmer. Look up average US water consumption and CO2 emissions per capita.

The programmer will continue to exist as a consumer of those things even if they get replaced by AI in their job.

Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by dist-epoch on Friday March 06, 2026 @09:21AM (#47275212)
But he will no longer have that much money to spend on environment damaging products.
Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by GuinansEyebrows on Friday March 06, 2026 @04:34PM (#47281384)
this is genocidal, on a human-wide scale.
Re:We Might All Be AI Engineers Now by stevenhuang on Friday March 06, 2026 @02:29PM (#47279905)
Environment impact is overstated. If you've ever looked at the numbers vs your daily carbon impact, you'd realize this.