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Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by tovej on Friday March 06, 2026 @02:03AM (#47271868)
I have to strongly disagree.

I've met people who have never been in touch with organized religion. They generally have excellent ethical frameworks. I've also read the bible, it does not have a consistent moral or ethical framework.

How can it be that areligious people have ethics if they need god for ethics?

Ethics is all about being human, it does not require a god, and it does not require anyone to understand even what a human is, or what process led to us living life together. The subjective experience of life and the subjective experience of life in a society is all you need to develop ethics.

Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by srean on Friday March 06, 2026 @04:16AM (#47272753)
Bible is quite permissive of killing if it's in the name of god. Genocide is quite a recurring theme.
Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by Alan_Writer on Friday March 06, 2026 @04:36AM (#47272881)
Even God told Abraham to kill his own son. Like, really?
Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by srean on Friday March 06, 2026 @04:54AM (#47272993)
Not unlike a cartel head that rules by a mix of fear and gaslighting.

Many religious texts, not just the Bible start making a lot of sense when looked at like psyops.

Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by godelski on Friday March 06, 2026 @01:30PM (#47279034)
Don't worry, it was just a test of Abraham's loyalty. God was never going to let him kill Isaac. It's the perfect example of a completely ethical thing to do to another person...
Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by srean on Friday March 06, 2026 @02:18PM (#47279744)
Some religious people would be nodding along in agreement not realising this is satire.
Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by forty on Friday March 06, 2026 @04:07PM (#47281079)
That's for sure, it seems to be a pretty straightforward case of Poe's law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by godelski on Friday March 06, 2026 @09:32PM (#47283852)
Is it satire if there are no fools?
Re:Where things stand with the Department of War by Tarq0n on Friday March 06, 2026 @08:57AM (#47274963)
At this point theists often try to smuggle God back in as the source of morality through culture.

But I agree, empirically religion and moral behavior seem at best uncorrelated.