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Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by solenoid0937 on Wednesday March 04, 2026 @11:59PM (#47257761)
> As the "alignment" folks on the AI industry are likely to learn

Dario & co are not starry-eyed naive individuals as implied. This is a calculated decision to maximize their goal (safe AGI/ASI.)

You have the right philosophy on the balance sheet side of things, but what you're missing is that researchers are more valuable than any military spend or any datacenter.

It does not matter how many hundreds of billions you have - if the 500-1000 top researchers don't want to work for you, you're fucked; and if they do, you will win because these are the people that come up with the step-change improvements in capability. There is no substitute for sheer IQ, you can't buy it (god knows Zuck has tried, and failed to earn their respect) and you can't build it (not yet, at least.) Consensus amongst less talented people does not work to achieve these "Eureka" moments either.

Had Anthropic gone forth with the DoD contract, they would have lost their top crowd. On the other hand, by rejecting it, Anthropic's recruiting just got much easier (and OAI's much harder.)

Generally, the military/Pentagon crowd have a somewhat inflated sense of self worth. Very few highly intelligent people with the skills to join these companies want to contribute to the war machine. If OpenAI becomes a glorified military contractor, they will bleed talent. Almost no top talent wants to work for Palantir, despite the pay.

Finally, the Anthropic restrictions will last, what, 2 more years? They are being locked out of a narrow subset of usecases (DoD contract work only - vendors can still use it for all other work - Hegseth's reading of SCR is incorrect) and have farmed massive reputation gains for both top talent and the next administration.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by vhiremath4 on Thursday March 05, 2026 @01:58AM (#47258439)
This is an interesting perspective. What happens if there is a large global war? Do researchers who were previously against working with the DoD end up flipping out of duty? Does the war budget go up? Does the DoD decide to lift any ban on Anthropic for the sake of getting the best model and does Anthropic warm its stance on not working with autonomous weapons systems?

I don’t know the answers to these questions, but if the answer is “yes” to at least 1 or 2, then I think the equation flips quite a bit. This is what I’m seeing in the world right now, and it’s disconcerting:

1. Ukraine and Russia have been in a skirmish that has been drawn out much longer than I would guess most people would have guessed. This has created a divide in political allegiance within the United States and Europe.

2. We captured the leader of Venezuela. Cuba is now scared they are next.

3. We just bombed Iran and killed their supreme leader.

4. China and the US are, of course, in a massive economic race for world power supremacy. The tensions have been steadily rising, and they are now feeling the pressure of oil exports from Iran grinding to a halt.

5. The past couple days Macron has been trying to quell tension between Israel and Lebanon.

I really do not hope we are not headed into war. I hope the fact that we all have nukes and rely on each others’ supply chains deters one. But man does it feel like the odds are increasing in favor of one, and man does that seem to throw a wrench in this whole thing with Anthropic vs. OpenAI.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by ethbr1 on Thursday March 05, 2026 @08:08AM (#47261173)
> 3. We just bombed Iran and killed their supreme leader.

Being accurate, by all reporting Israel killed Iran's leadership.

Yes, likely enabled by US intelligence, but the one who pulls the trigger does matter.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by ImPostingOnHN on Thursday March 05, 2026 @09:53AM (#47262211)
"We" here clearly means USA+israel. There isn't a distinction between the two when they're working towards the same goals, bombing everything in sight, together.

The one who pulled the trigger is irrelevant here, because both have pulled the trigger hundreds or thousands of times in the past few days, dividing up targets between them for the joint operation.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by ethbr1 on Thursday March 05, 2026 @02:22PM (#47266051)
Given that direct assassination is still prohibited by EO 11905 / 12036 / 12333, it's a major issue if the US president ordered the strike or not.

I'm aware that internet forums like to play fast and loose with insinuations, but facts are facts.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by ImPostingOnHN on Thursday March 05, 2026 @02:58PM (#47266495)
> Given that direct assassination is still prohibited by EO 11905 / 12036 / 12333

It sounds like you think this means something?

Obviously it doesn't when we're talking about an administration that openly breaks laws, much less EOs, and issues whatever EOs they want saying whatever they want, even in violation of previous EOs. There aren't even any repercussions to the president "violating an EO".

So, the pedantry here is irrelevant. The two parties are on the same team, working towards the same goal, doing the same things, divvying up the list of targets to strike.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by ethbr1 on Friday March 06, 2026 @08:11AM (#47274525)
> It sounds like you think this means something?

If you'd rather talk with yourself, I'll see myself out of this convo. No time for folks who would rather indulge in hyperbole than messy reality.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by ImPostingOnHN on Friday March 06, 2026 @12:08PM (#47277824)
Given that you totally ignored the substance of my post, and instead focused on attacking me personally, it does seem like you're not interested in a discussion, and not a good fit for the HN culture and guidelines. So yeah, maybe it would be better if you left.

Anyways, happy friday! Feel free to come back if you're willing to share why you think the president not complying with a presidential executive order is significant here, rather than insignificant.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by nickysielicki on Thursday March 05, 2026 @02:23AM (#47258639)
> researchers are more valuable than any military spend or any datacenter. It does not matter how many hundreds of billions you have - if the 500-1000 top researchers don't want to work for you, you're fucked; and if they do, you will win because these are the people that come up with the step-change improvements in capability.

This is a massive cope imo. The reason that the AI industry is so incestuous is just because there are only a handful of frontier labs with the compute/capital to run large training clusters.

Most of the improvements that we’ve seen in the past 3 years are due to significantly better hardware and software, just boring and straightforward engineering work, not brilliant model architecture improvements. We are running transformers from 2017. The brilliant researchers at the frontier labs have not produced a successor architecture in nearly a decade of trying. That’s not what winning on research looks like.

Have there been some step-change improvements? Sure. But by far the biggest improvement can be attributed to training bigger models on more badass hardware, and hardware availability to serve it cheaply. To act like the DoD isn’t going to be able to stand up pytorch or vllm and get a decent result is hilarious: the reason you use slurm and MPI and openshmem is because national labs and DoD were using it first. NCCL is just gpu accelerated scope-reduced MPI. nvshmem is just gpu accelerated scope-reduced openshmem.

If anything, DoD doesn’t have the inference throughput requirements that the unicorns have and might just be able to immediately outperform them by training a massive dense model without optimizing for time to first token or throughput. They don’t have to worry about if the $/1M tokens makes it economically feasible to serve, which is a primary consideration of the unicorns today when they’re choosing their parameter counts. They can just rate limit the endpoint and share it, with a 2 hour queue time.

The government invented HPC, it’s their world and you’re just playing in it.

> Generally, the defense crowd have a somewhat inflated sense of self worth.

/eyeroll but nobody can do what you do!

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by solenoid0937 on Thursday March 05, 2026 @11:45AM (#47263905)
Sure the architecture is from 2017. But the gap between GPT-1 and frontier models today is not simply "more FLOPs" and as simple as "standing up PyTorch and vllm" - theres thousands of undocumented decisions about data, alignment, reward modeling, training stability, and inference-time strategies, and lots of tribal knowledge held by a small group of people who overwhelmingly do not want to work on weapons systems.

The dense model argument is self-defeating long term. Sparsity (MoE etc.) lets you build a smarter model at the same compute budget, so going dense because you can afford to waste FLOPs is how you fall behind b/c you never came up with the step function improvements needed.

Sure, the DoD invented HPC, but also invented the internet, and then the private sector made it actually useful.

Re:Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military dea... by guitheengineer on Thursday March 05, 2026 @02:56AM (#47258880)
that is considering if there will be elections, which many people don't believe it's the case.

reminder that trump has been flirting with just continuing in power (2028 hats and talks about a third term) and is responsible for trying a coup last time he lost.

personally I think there's a possibility where he'll just declare martial law and stay in power at the end of his term.