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Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by ryanmcl on Saturday February 28, 2026 @09:26AM (#47195758)
There's a third category emerging that I think gets overlooked in these discussions = people who couldn't program at all before, who now can. Not replacing programmers, but creating new ones.

I started coding 8 months ago at 45 with zero experience. I now have a production app processing real payments. That was genuinely impossible for someone like me before AI assistance. Not because I lacked the ability to think through problems, but because the skill floor was too high to clear while also being a parent with no spare years to invest.

The spreadsheet analogy is apt. Most of those amateur spreadsheets aren't replacing finance teams; they're solving small problems that would otherwise go unsolved. That's closer to what's happening with AI-assisted development, I feel, than the "eliminate programmers" framing suggests.

Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by simonw on Saturday February 28, 2026 @10:37AM (#47196558)
Congratulations. This is my favorite aspect of this whole thing: LLM tooling that's helping new people break into programming by lowering the friction and learning curve.
Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by falkensmaize on Saturday February 28, 2026 @10:32PM (#47203419)
But the friction and learning curve is what helps you understand what you’re doing. The friction is an integral part of the process.
Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by simonw on Saturday February 28, 2026 @11:36PM (#47203757)
The friction is why so many people never make it far up enough the learning curve to build something useful that solves their problems.
Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by falkensmaize on Sunday March 01, 2026 @09:30AM (#47207029)
You could say the same thing about learning to fly a plane or play the piano. I’ve got no problem with people using llms to write useful utilities and programs for themselves, but it is leading us into a world where people are creating powerful things they don’t understand. That’s going to have consequences. We are already witnessing some of them.
Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by ryanmcl on Monday March 02, 2026 @09:48AM (#47218634)
Both things are true simultaneously. The friction taught me things I wouldn't have learned otherwise; and the reduced friction is the only reason I got far enough to encounter that friction in the first place.

I still debug production issues manually. I still read error logs line by line. The AI got me to the starting line faster but it didn't skip the/my race.

Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by PeterWhittaker on Saturday February 28, 2026 @10:22AM (#47196346)
Thoroughly insightful take!
Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by GuB-42 on Saturday February 28, 2026 @03:00PM (#47199555)
The thing is that programming is not an end goal, it is a means to a end. No one is paying you to "write code", they are paying you to make a website shat serves as a storefront, to make a video game, something for accounting,...

It turns out that in many of these cases, code is an effective way of doing it, but there may be other options. For a storefront, there are website builders that let you do it very effectively if your needs match one of their templates, there are game engines that require no code, and a lot of accounting can be done in Excel.

What I wanted to say is that maybe you could have done without code, but thanks to LLMs making code a viable option even for beginners, that's what you went for. In fact, vibe coding is barely even coding in the strictest sense of writing something in a programming language, since you are using natural language and code is just an intermediate step that you can see.

The reason programmers use programming languages is not gatekeeping, unlike what many people who want to "eliminate programmers" think. It is that programming languages are very good at what they do, they are precise, unambiguous, concise and expressive. Alternatives like natural languages or graphical tools lack some of these attributes and therefore may not work as well. Like with many advanced tools, there is a learning curve, but once you reach a certain point, like when you intend to make it your job, it is worth it.

Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by intelVISA on Saturday February 28, 2026 @05:45PM (#47201173)
Good lord, thank you. I'm a huge fan of LLMs, they've replaced enormous amounts of toil for me but they are not 'my job'.

If you walk to the kitchen and fry up an egg are you now a master chef? What's the difference between a surgeon and a butcher ...they both cut things?

Most shops never really needed development expertise in-house as there's no shortage of many decent tools equally suitable as code for getting machines to do most business things.

In some ways this is worse because while it's functionally the same black box intermediary as the alternative-to-code tools there's an illusion of control and more sunk cost. Do you want your sales team selling or learning JavaScript churning out goofy knock-offs for a well-solved problem?

Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by elzbardico on Saturday February 28, 2026 @07:19PM (#47202138)
No. it was not. You could build a passable online shop after reading a django or ruby on rails book (250, 300 pages), and a couple tutorials to deploy it in some ease to use platform.

Maybe it wouldn't be visually nice, but you would understand what you've built, which is something really really important if you are processing online payments.

Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by xorcist on Monday March 02, 2026 @09:03AM (#47218091)
> That was genuinely impossible for someone like me before AI assistance

Ummm... No? That was literally what people have done for decades? Is the implication that you feel you are too old to read a book at 45 and start programming?

Sure, you will make hundreds of unintended decisions along the way that a seasoned developer would scoff at (for good reason), but a functioning first application in half a year when learning on the job is exactly what people have done, always. Is it a good idea? Well, it is always better to have a professional at hand to help and do away with the beginner's problems from the beginning, but it's absolutely doable.

Programming is not a black art, but something anyone with a bit of logical thinking can pick up from a book. Hence the "Learn yourself Java in 48 hours" books the were so popular for a while.

Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by ryanmcl on Monday March 02, 2026 @09:46AM (#47218617)
Fair point...I should have said "practically impossible given my constraints" rather than "genuinely impossible." You're right that people have learned from books for decades.

What changed for me wasn't capability, it was feedback loops. A book can't tell me why my specific Stripe webhook is failing at 2am. The combination of AI assistance plus actually building something real kept me from hitting the walls that stopped me the three previous times I tried to learn.

But you're right that the skill existed before the tooling. The tooling just compressed the timeline enough to fit inside the life I already had.

Re:The Eternal Promise: A History of Attempts to Eliminate P... by tricorn on Monday March 02, 2026 @02:56PM (#47223219)
I think your example highlights one of the places where even the current level of AI can be helpful and enabling, rather than a competitor for jobs, which is helping a person learn something new. Not always in all subjects (do NOT learn to fly a plane solely by AI, I say this as a flight instructor), and the person has to be careful to verify accuracy, but still it can be amazingly useful, and endlessly patient.