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Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by delaminator on Friday February 27, 2026 @08:49AM (#47180473)
I think there's a war about that wasn't there?
Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by brazzy on Friday February 27, 2026 @09:02AM (#47180565)
Yeah, and he didn't like the outcome. Salient quote (from a letter to Robert E. Lee):

"I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy. The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy. I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo. "

Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by sigwinch on Friday February 27, 2026 @09:49AM (#47181108)
There are several lies in this. The objective of a Confederate victory was to enforce slavery farther south. Mexico was a few years away from collapsing. Brazil would emancipate within 20 years. Would the Confederacy last 20 years as the last slave state in the western hemisphere?
Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by SoftTalker on Friday February 27, 2026 @10:52AM (#47181947)
Slavery would not have lasted, as the mechanization and industrialization of agriculture would soon make slave ownership uneconomical. Same with draft animals.
Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by delaminator on Friday February 27, 2026 @09:07AM (#47180614)
Well, he wasn't wrong.
Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by XorNot on Friday February 27, 2026 @09:38AM (#47180978)
Whining about States rights to enslave people is certainly a take.

Particularly when in context, the war was caused by the South acting to usurp abolition in the North via the legal system (i.e. Dredd Scott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott)

The importance and applicability of "states rights" is always oddly narrow.

Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by b40d-48b2-979e on Friday February 27, 2026 @10:30AM (#47181684)

    The importance and applicability of "states rights" is always oddly narrow.
It's also always ignoring the declarations of secession that all explicitly name slavery as the motivation.
Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by wat10000 on Friday February 27, 2026 @01:06PM (#47183499)
The Confederate Constitution was mostly a copy of the US Constitution. One place where it differed is that it forbade any state from abolishing slavery. So the whole "states' rights" thing is obvious baloney.
Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by axus on Friday February 27, 2026 @02:42PM (#47184647)
Control of elections is one of the last bastions of State's rights. The past year has really illustrated why states' independence from the US federal government benefit their residents.