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Re:Fog Creek is about to go down by gecko on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @10:46AM (#4717530)
Kiln alone has >4 TB of data; you want to SCP that with 90 minutes heads-up?

Having power and/or rack space is not the same as having servers, switches, etc. anyway.

Hopefully it will not be down that long. We'll let you know more when we know more.

Re:Fog Creek is about to go down by bunderbunder on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @12:32PM (#4718084)
Ha, I wouldn't worry too much about Kiln. I can push when the servers come back. Heck, considering how often some folks I know of push their changesets I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them never even notice that anything happened.

FogBugz is more of a problem. Some days the "Resolve" button is my only source of job satisfaction.

Re:Fog Creek is about to go down by ynniv on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @11:34AM (#4717771)
You could have rsync'd it with a few days heads up, and freshened that in the last 90min.
Re:Fog Creek is about to go down by alkaramba on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @01:19PM (#4718356)
>4 TB of data? I didn't realize Kiln's gotten that big already. When this whole thing is sorted out, @gecko @kevingessner - would love to see a "State of the Kiln" post and some stats!
Re:Fog Creek is about to go down by modoc on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @11:38AM (#4717790)
Do you guys do off-site backups?
Re:Fog Creek is about to go down by kevingessner on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @12:08PM (#4717947)
Yes, we have multiple off-site backups (cloud as well as an offsite storage DC) for all customer data. All data is still safe in NYC -- we've just brought down service to prevent problems in case of an abrupt power failure.
Re:Fog Creek is about to go down by shadytrees on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @11:57AM (#4717886)
Yes we do. Unfortunately, that's all they are -- data backups, sans infrastructure.
Re:Fog Creek is about to go down by modoc on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @06:52PM (#4720143)
Sure, but that invalidates the complaint of it being infeasible to scp out 4 TB of data before your NYC DC runs out of power. Those 4 TB of data are already out of NYC, safely in some other DC where you have hardware. You just need new servers/VMs in/near that DC to restore the backups to.

I'm not trying to 2nd guess your ops team, but the whole point in having off-site backups is to facilitate a your RTO plan in case you lose your primary DC with no warning. I guess I'd be surprised if you don't have a < 24 hour RTO plan in place. With how quickly you can get VMs and even dedicated server provisioned by many hosting providers (minutes to a couple hours), the idea of physically moving servers off-site into a new racks, with new networking, etc... seems kinda nutty...