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Re:Layoffs at Block by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday February 26, 2026 @07:48PM (#47174722)
I think this is pretty spot on. It's already been mentioned a ton before how many of these "we're having layoffs to better utilize AI" stories are really just cover for axing lots of unprofitable projects that were birthed during the ZIRP/early pandemic era.

I think the additional wrinkle with AI is that it's having an impact, just not really in the way these execs are saying. Before ChatGPT, there was lots of speculative investment into SaaS-type products as companies looked for another hit. Now, though, I think there is a general sense that, except for AI, Internet tech (and lots of other tech) is fully mature. This huge amount of investment in "the next big tech" thing (again, ex-AI) is just over, and the transition happened pretty fast. Blockchain, NFTs, the metaverse, Alexa and other voice assistants, yada yada, were all ventures looking for something as big as, say, the rise of mobile, and they all failed and are getting killed basically simultaneously.

I think the scary thing going forward is that, over the past 25-30 years or so, tech provided a huge amount of the average wage growth, at least in the US. Even if AI doesn't result in huge employment reductions due to productivity gains, the number of high quality jobs in the AI space is just a lot smaller than, say, the overall Internet space. Lots of people have commented here how so many of these AI startups are just wrappers around the big models, and even previous hits are looking dicey now than the big model providers are pulling more stuff in house (and I say this as a previous Cursor subscriber who switched to Claude Code).

I'm curious what future batches of YCombinator will look like. Perhaps it's just a failure of my imagination, but it's really hard for me to think of a speculative tech startup that I think could be a big hit, and that's a huge change for me from, say, the 2005-2020 timeframe. Yeah, I can think of some AI ideas, but it's hard for me to think of things beyond "wrapper" projects on one hand and hugely capital intensive projects for training models on the other.

Re:Layoffs at Block by nradov on Thursday February 26, 2026 @08:31PM (#47175115)
There's still enormous potential for technology solutions in the healthcare space. The population in every developed country is getting older and sicker. AI can help a little bit with building those solutions but there are no magic bullets: we still need lots of people grinding away on hard problems.
Re:Layoffs at Block by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday February 26, 2026 @09:51PM (#47175800)
Perhaps this is too US-centric, but as someone who used to work in health fintech, I strongly disagree.

The US healthcare system is well and truly f'd, but I think 98% of these issue are government and society policy issues. If anything, I see so many companies trying to take advantage of the complete dysfunction in the US healthcare system to be yet another middlemen siphoning money from systemwide inefficiencies.

Re:Layoffs at Block by nradov on Thursday February 26, 2026 @11:10PM (#47176398)
There's a lot more to healthcare than just fintech. I've been the field for decades and I've never seen such rapid progress before in areas like clinical and administrative interoperability, digital health, software as a medical device, telehealth, clinical decision support, cost transparency, etc. Despite the structural problems with incentives that create that make the financial side so dysfunctional, there has never been a better time to build.
Re:Layoffs at Block by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday February 27, 2026 @02:04AM (#47177457)
I never said health was just fintech.

My primary point is that poor health outcomes in the US (fully admit my views are US-centric given my experience and knowledge) have nothing to do with a lack of technology and everything to do with structural systems issues rooted in government policies.

I'm a big fan of Dr. Jessica Knurick, who publishes at length about many of the systems that cause and contribute to population-wide poor health in the US. Here's one article taking about food systems and nutrition: https://open.substack.com/pub/drjessicaknurick/p/the-food-sy... .

Re:Layoffs at Block by nradov on Friday February 27, 2026 @09:05AM (#47180594)
Sure, I generally agree: the social problems that cause (relatively) low life expectancy in the US can't be solved with technology. But that's a separate problem. There's still a huge opportunity for entrepreneurs and technologists to improve the healthcare system in ways that deliver real benefits to patients / providers / payers, and make some money in the process.
Re:Layoffs at Block by marcus_holmes on Thursday February 26, 2026 @08:33PM (#47175137)
We've seen hackathons where attendees build a SaaS business in a weekend. More than just Startup Weekend validation and a shitty MVP. A pretty-much complete SaaS product. It's a step change.

But this means the market for SaaS products is going to get hit hugely. If you can vibecode up a specific service for your specific requirement in a few days, why bother buying a SaaS product?

And, of course, if you can build a me-too SaaS product that imitates a successful competitor over a weekend, and then price it at 10% of their price, that's going to hit business models.

I think the SaaS startup gravy train is definitely over and done.

Personally, my sense is that there's a lot left to do in batteries + motors + LLMs. The drones in Ukraine could be smarter. Robot companions that can hold a conversation. Voice interfaces for robots generally [0]. Unfortunately, the people making all the batteries, motors, and increasingly the LLMs, are in China. So those of us stuck with idiot governments protecting their fossil-fuel donors are going to miss out on it.

[0] the sketch of two scots in a voice-controlled lift still resonates, though. There's probably still work to do here.

Re:Layoffs at Block by atomicnumber3 on Thursday February 26, 2026 @08:39PM (#47175197)
The value in SaaS was never the code, it was the focus on the problem space, the execution, and the ops-included side.

AI makes code "free" as in "free puppy".

Re:Layoffs at Block by strange_quark on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:50PM (#47176262)
Right, there are dozens of open source versions of wikis/task trackers/CRMs/ERPs/whatevers. Just because you can vibecode your way to a bad version of a bunch of SaaS products shouldn't fundamentally change anything. Companies buy SaaS products to make running the thing someone else's problem. It's times like these where I wish we had a functional SEC; I really wonder how much market manipulation is going on.
Re:Layoffs at Block by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday February 26, 2026 @09:47PM (#47175768)
Sometimes, but I think there are some SaaS products whose business model is really under threat. Look at PagerDuty. Their PE ratio is like 4.4. They have a lot of existing customers but virtually no pricing power now and I imagine getting new business for them is extremely difficult.
Re:Layoffs at Block by marcus_holmes on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:35PM (#47176164)
Canva is my go-to example - you can just get NanoBanana/whatever to generate and iterate on the image. Same for all those stock photo services. I used to use them a lot, now I just generate blog images
Re:Layoffs at Block by marcus_holmes on Thursday February 26, 2026 @08:50PM (#47175280)
Yeah, agreed, but it was at least part of the moat. Competitors can see the model, the approach to market, etc. They still had to code up a better product.

And part of the problem that the SaaS solves is that "I have this thing that I need to do. I can probably do it in software, but I don't know how. Can I buy that software?". Which is now becoming "Can I get an LLM to do it?" instead.

Re:Layoffs at Block by otterley on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:30PM (#47176115)
That’s where the “free as in puppy” comes in. It’s still a classic case of build vs buy, except building is now quicker than it used to be. You still have to ask, “suppose I did build it myself. Then what?”
Re:Layoffs at Block by marcus_holmes on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:40PM (#47176187)
Yeah. So then you get your own product, tailor-made to your organisation, that you own (well, it's public domain because LLM-generated, but same same), and that you can change whenever you want without having to deal with a SaaS company's backlog. If you don't like something in it, you fire up Claude Code and get it changed.

There's also no danger of it being enshittified. Or of some twat of a product manager deciding to completely change the UI because they need to change something to prove their importance. Or of the product getting cancelled because it's not making enough money. Or of it getting sold to an evil corp who then sells your data to your competition. Or any of the other stupid shit we've seen SaaS companies pull over the past 20 years.

Re:Layoffs at Block by otterley on Thursday February 26, 2026 @10:41PM (#47176192)
Respectfully, I think you’re only considering upsides and not considering downsides, opportunity costs, and ongoing maintenance costs. This is not what smart managers do. Plus, just because you can build something cheaper with an LLM doesn’t mean you can operate it more cheaply than a specialist can. Economies of scale haven’t been obviated by AI.

It’s useful to take an argument and take it to its logical extreme: I just don’t see every company in the world, large and small alike, building everything they depend on in-house, as though they were a prepper stocking up for Armageddon. That seems pretty fanciful on its face.

Re:Layoffs at Block by marcus_holmes on Sunday March 01, 2026 @08:56PM (#47212957)
I hear that, and yeah, it's a possible future but I'm not sure it's the certain one.

The maintenance costs are kinda overrated: you fire up the LLM, point it at the code base and say "this needs fixing". I'd say that the maintenance costs of dealing with endless patches and fixes from a SaaS for features that you don't use is probably more onerous.

And generally we're talking about the situation where the SaaS customer is a domain expert in their area of expertise, but that isn't software development. They can use a system incredibly well, they just can't develop it. They have in-house IT folks to maintain their computers, networks, etc, and they're really just adding a couple of people to develop and maintain some applications via LLM to that team.

We're already seeing some of this, so it'll be interesting to see how far it goes.

Re:Layoffs at Block by rswail on Friday February 27, 2026 @06:19AM (#47179197)
Why is it public domain because it's LLM-generated?
Re:Layoffs at Block by otterley on Friday February 27, 2026 @11:09AM (#47182180)
As an attorney (and this is not legal advice), I would argue--and the U.S. Copyright Office has already stated--that machine-generated content is not copyrightable, because it's not a form of human creative expression. https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-Artificial-Intell... ("Copyright does not extend to purely AI-generated material, or material where there is insufficient human control over the expressive elements.")

That said, the inquiry doesn't there. What happens next after the content is generated matters. If human creativity is then applied to the output such that it transforms it into something the machine didn't generate itself, then the resulting product might be copyrightable. See Section F on page 24 of the Report.

Consider that a dictionary contains words that aren't copyrightable; but the selection of words an author select to write a novel constitutes a copyrightable work. It's just that in this case, the author is creatively constructing from much larger components than words.

Lots of questions then obviously follow, like how much and what kind of transformation needs to be applied. But I think this is probably where the law is headed.

Re:Layoffs at Block by rswail on Sunday March 01, 2026 @03:15AM (#47204756)
Can the output of the service be licensed? A bit like the AGPL, you're licensed to use/reuse/derive new works.

So if it's distributed outside of the license, that's subject to contractual penalties? I guess that's what all the "wrapper" SaaS businesses will do.

Read that report, it defined the issues and the boundaries well, for the current generation of AI tools. As they develop and expand, it's going to get interesting, especially if robotics/3d printing etc get involved.

If I use an Optimus Prime to help create art, similar to Andy Warhol's "factory", do I own the copyright on the completed work?

If a person uses AI to generate work that ends up being patentable, are patents also not available?

Re:Layoffs at Block by marcus_holmes on Sunday March 01, 2026 @08:50PM (#47212906)
There's already been a case where an artist generated art using an LLM, and could not claim copyright on it [0]. Though the guy was torpedoing his own case by claiming the machine created the entire thing. The courts are supporting copyright claims when using an LLM as a tool to support human effort.

All software licensing depends on copyright. If no-one owns the copyright than it can't be licensed; it's in the public domain immediately and irrevocably.

Of course, if you rip off someone else's work, and they DMCA you, then you might need to prove that they generated the entire thing using an LLM with zero human input. Though there's plenty of folks posting blog posts claiming that that's their process, so it might not be that hard.

Patents are different. For a start they cost money and effort to get. And there are lots of rules around how they're applied and how you can defend them. Very different from copyright.

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/19/ai-art-cannot-be-copyrighted...

Re:Layoffs at Block by matwood on Friday February 27, 2026 @02:26AM (#47177612)
> The value in SaaS was never the code

I feel like a lot of people are about to learn this lesson for the first time. Except in some very niche areas the majority of the value was never the code. The SaaSs that everyone thinks will be replaced had much more than code if they were successful -integrations, contracts, expertise, reputation, etc…

Re:Layoffs at Block by alexhwoods on Friday February 27, 2026 @01:16PM (#47183616)
> AI makes code "free" as in "free puppy".

Exactly right

Re:Layoffs at Block by heathrow83829 on Thursday February 26, 2026 @09:14PM (#47175491)
The biggest limiting factor is user acquisition. Just because you can build a competitor in a weekend doesn't mean you can easily acquire a user base. it's dam hard to get users even if your product is twice as good and your giving it away for free!
Re:Layoffs at Block by Marsymars on Thursday February 26, 2026 @09:30PM (#47175625)
The implied risk isn't more SaaS competitors, it's that B2B SaaS consumers will just code up their own product instead of going with a SaaS vendor.
Re:Layoffs at Block by marcus_holmes on Thursday February 26, 2026 @09:40PM (#47175705)
Started seeing even B2C folks just get the LLM to do it, or code up a quick solution that does most of it.
Re:Layoffs at Block by johnny_canuck on Thursday February 26, 2026 @09:18PM (#47175525)
> I think the scary thing going forward is that, over the past 25-30 years or so, tech provided a huge amount of the average wage growth, at least in the US.

This is the thing that keeps me up at night. Tech has allowed a very solid middle class lifestyle for a lot of people. I can't think of another good paying job where someone is self-taught, or went to a 12-month certificate program at their local community college and now has a very good career.

If those jobs disappear, or wage growth is non-existent, I don't know where the next generation will find those jobs.

Re:Layoffs at Block by hibikir on Thursday February 26, 2026 @09:34PM (#47175651)
Just one correction though: Your definition of middle class has to be super wide to call many tech jobs "solid middle class". It's not as if everyone ends up in the billionaire column, most definitions of middle class end with household income at $165k. Many in tech go over with one job. Once a family has two jobs and one is in tech, basically everyone counts as upper middle or above. With two tech jobs in a household, claiming middle class is often denying one's actual status.
Re:Layoffs at Block by johnny_canuck on Friday February 27, 2026 @06:35AM (#47179330)
That's true. For context, I reside in Canada where good tech jobs fit the definition of the low end of upper class (250k CAD) where I am not sure the same is true in the USA? Regardless my definition is wrong.
Re:Layoffs at Block by rswail on Friday February 27, 2026 @06:16AM (#47179185)
Prompt companies are already evolving, establishing specific contexts to become business facilitators. That might be a "wrapper" project, but I bet there will be copyright litigation between these companies for "prompt piracy".

There are still (always?) business opportunites to leverage technology, in what we used to think was a virtuous loop of positive feedback.

If corporates are going to build AIs to attempt to sell things to people, there's going to be an opportunity for AIs that work for an individual, a "de-enshittifier" for example.

The "big model providers" right now aren't necessarily the actual ones that will persist. We're in another dotcom-type boom and when the tide goes out, some of them will have been swimming naked.