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Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by alephnerd on Thursday February 19, 2026 @09:56PM (#47083089)
It may come as a shock, but mice are some of the closest species to Humans genetically speaking [0] with 95-99% similarity depending on the gene in question, and a large portion of diseases are shared by both mice and humans [1].

One of the geneticists who worked on identifying this is also on HN and tried to explain this [2] but HNers think they are smarter than actual leaders in the fields of genomics.

[0] - https://www.mpg.de/10973923/why-do-scientists-investigate-mi...

[1] - https://www.mpg.de/8949327/structural-variants-crispr-cas

[2] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41260651

Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by bradleyjg on Thursday February 19, 2026 @10:12PM (#47083201)
All that may well be true. But one doesn’t have to be a leader in the field of genomics to have read decades of articles breathlessly proclaiming medical breakthroughs (in mice) and then not ever seeing them hit the market (in humans.)

Or in other words the meat of the critique is not aimed at genomics, but rather in science marketing.

Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by alephnerd on Thursday February 19, 2026 @10:19PM (#47083243)
You can say the same thing about Phase 1 to 3 as well.

The reality is every theraputic has some kind of negative side effect, which may reduce the incentive for it to be productionized becuase the whole point about medicine is harm reduction.

Passing the hurdle of being viable in mice is a major hurdle because in most cases, experiments fail. And if it's efficacy is proven in mice, it shows viability in a specific approach and justifies investing the hundreds of millions of dollars in trying to bring something to Phase 3.

Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by jalapenos on Friday February 20, 2026 @05:34AM (#47086193)
That's the point though - why does it take hundreds of millions of dollars for phase 3?

Because it happens in a regime that intentionally makes it so.

That's not how e.g. vaccination got invented now is it.

Busy-bodies too busy "protecting us from ourselves" to let us find cures.

Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by strken on Thursday February 19, 2026 @10:16PM (#47083230)
I'm not sure why the snark is necessary. Nobody is suggesting that mice are a terrible animal model or trying to tell researchers how to do their jobs, they're just frustrated by pop science coverage that leaves crucial information out of the headline and over-hypes early research. At least the BBC article doesn't bury the lede.
Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by russdill on Friday February 20, 2026 @12:46AM (#47084256)
I don't think the problem is specifically mice, but disease models. Some of the hardest diseases to study mice don't naturally (or commonly) get so it has to be induced in some way.
Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by inglor_cz on Friday February 20, 2026 @05:09AM (#47085985)
Yes, for example, ALS. Mice don't naturally get ALS and while a somewhat similar condition can be provoked in them, the model does not fit well and seems to be almost useless for producing actual human treatments of ALS.
Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by RupertSalt on Friday February 20, 2026 @02:30AM (#47084845)
A top-10 list indicates 6 primates, cat, dog, and cow. While there has been a lot of testing done on primates and dogs, they are much more sympathetic for animal-rights groups, and the general public, when protesting vivisection, breeding, and confinement.

Anatomically and behaviorally, primates would still be the top choices there. And many, many disciplines experiment on animals, where results don't come at the genetic level.

Good, the genetics match closely. But mice (or rats: see the idiom "lab rat") are also considered vermin, prolific breeders, fit in your hand, short life-cycle, and easily obtained. So they join fruit flies in the lab experiments.

Interestingly, pigs are used in many types of medicine while not enjoying that genetic similarity. In the 1950s and 60s, your insulin and thyroid meds were often derived from pigs.

Re:Single vaccine could protect against all coughs, colds an... by jalapenos on Friday February 20, 2026 @05:29AM (#47086154)
So you could have kids with a mouse then if you got drunk enough and were un-endowed enough?

Because you typed a number that looks close to 100%. So must be basically the same.