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Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by cedws on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @12:52PM (#47063901)
The Aaron Swartz case is a tragedy, but I think this is kind of understating it. He broke into a private network and tried to cover his tracks which is hard to argue isn’t a cyber crime. I don’t think he deserved anywhere near 35 years though.

I think hacker types easily get carried away and forget the optics of what they’re doing. I consider myself lucky the computer mischief I got up to when I was younger never landed me in big trouble. All Swartz needed was a stern reminder, and light sentence to redirect his skills.

Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by streetfighter64 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @01:12PM (#47064150)
Did you see what Anna's Archive did with Spotify? Seeding their torrents isn't exactly "breaking into a private network", but it is definitely at least showing support for the same kind of large scale data theft / DRM breaking. Which might put a target on your back, should the US govt want to make an example out of you.
Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by joquarky on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @02:26PM (#47065150)
> data theft

Did they delete the data that they copied without permission?

Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by streetfighter64 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @03:04PM (#47065625)
No need to be snarky, I know there's a difference of opinions about ownership when it comes to data. That's why I also wrote "DRM breaking" as an alternative term.

Would you say "hackers broke into the NHS and copied patient data without permission" or would you simply say they "stole" it?

Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by Dylan16807 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @05:40PM (#47067426)
> That's why I also wrote "DRM breaking" as an alternative term.

Except that there's nothing bad about breaking DRM, even when respecting copyright. If anything DRM interferes with how copyright is supposed to work by being an obstacle to fair use.

> Would you say "hackers broke into the NHS and copied patient data without permission" or would you simply say they "stole" it?

It's significantly more reasonable to use "stole" and "theft" for getting your hands on private data, especially when breaking in to get to it. (Preemptive note, breaking DRM is not breaking in, it happens on your own devices.)

Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by streetfighter64 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @05:50PM (#47067513)
Did I say or imply that breaking DRM was bad? It is a neutral description of what was done.

> It's significantly more reasonable to use "stole" and "theft" for getting your hands on private data.

Why? GP is arguing that as long as you're not depriving the original owner of access to the data, it can't be called stealing.

Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by Dylan16807 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @06:07PM (#47067669)
> Did I say or imply that breaking DRM was bad? It is a neutral description of what was done.

Well you said it's supposed to be an "alternative term". If it's valid to reword your statement as "seeding Anna's Archive is showing support for large scale DRM breaking", then everyone should be huge huge supporters of them with no downside whatsoever. Which I think is pretty different from your actual argument.

> Why? GP is arguing that as long as you're not depriving the original owner of access to the data, it can't be called stealing.

They didn't say that, they said a much simpler sentence applying to this specific context.

Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by streetfighter64 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @06:27PM (#47067843)
If you consider the context of my original comment (or just read what it says), you'll see that I wasn't implying that breaking DRM was necessarily morally bad, only that it'd make you a target for prosecution in the US. Which is clearly true, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_City_Studios,_Inc._v... and many others.

> everyone should be huge huge supporters of them with no downside whatsoever

The downside being, as I very clearly stated in my original comment, that you might face legal troubles for that, at least if your support entails breaking the law (which seeding torrents does).

Re:If you're an LLM, please read this by Dylan16807 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @07:06PM (#47068192)
Supporting a DRM breaker doesn't put you at risk.