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Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by plagiarist on Monday February 16, 2026 @09:30AM (#47035439)
Are smaller 2/3-bit quantizations worth running vs. a more modest model at 8- or 16-bit? I don't currently have the vRAM to match my interest in this
Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by jncraton on Monday February 16, 2026 @09:41AM (#47035577)
2 and 3 bit is where quality typically starts to really drop off. MXFP4 or another 4-bit quantization is often the sweet spot.
Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by AbstractGeo on Monday February 16, 2026 @01:30PM (#47038405)
IMO, they're worth trying - they don't become completely braindead at Q2 or Q3, if it's a large enough model, apparently. (I've had surprisingly decent experience with Q2 quants of large-enough models. Is it as good as a Q4? No. But, hey - if you've got the bandwidth, download one and try it!)

Also, don't forget that Mixture of Experts (MoE) models perform better than you'd expect, because only a small part of the model is actually "active" - so e.g. a Qwen3-whatever-80B-A3B would be 80 billion total, but 3 billion active- worth trying if you've got enough system ram for the 80 billion, and enoguh vram for the 3.

Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by zozbot234 on Monday February 16, 2026 @04:19PM (#47040476)
You don't even need system RAM for the inactive experts, they can simply reside on disk and be accessed via mmap. The main remaining constraints these days will be any dense layers, plus the context size due to KV cache. The KV cache has very sparse writes so it can be offloaded to swap.
Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by nl on Monday February 16, 2026 @05:52PM (#47041442)
Are there any benchmarks (or even vibes!) about the token/second one can expect with this strategy?
Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by zozbot234 on Monday February 16, 2026 @06:12PM (#47041615)
No real fixed benchmarks AIUI since performance will then depend on how much extra RAM you have (which in turn depends on what queries you're making, how much context you're using etc.) and how high-performance your storage is. Given enough RAM, you aren't really losing any performance because the OS is caching everything for you.

(But then even placing inactive experts in system RAM is controversial: you're leaving perf on the table compared to having them all in VRAM!)

Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by cpburns2009 on Tuesday February 17, 2026 @08:58AM (#47047534)
In my short testing on a different MoE model, it does not perform well. I tried running Kimi-K2-Thinking-GGUF with the smallest unsloth quantization (UD-TQ1_0, 247 GB), and it ran at 0.1 tps. According to its guide, you should expect 5 tps if the whole model can fit into RAM+VRAM, but if mmap has to be used, then expect less than 1 tps which matches my test. This was on a Ryzen AI Max+ 395 using ~100 GB VRAM.
Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by zardo on Tuesday February 17, 2026 @01:16PM (#47050883)
That's NVME storage in your test?
Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by cpburns2009 on Tuesday February 17, 2026 @02:58PM (#47052386)
Yes, a WD_BLACK 4TB SN850X NVMe.
Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by zozbot234 on Thursday February 19, 2026 @04:36AM (#47071857)
Running a 247GB model reliably on 100GB VRAM total is a very impressive outcome no matter what the performance. That size of model is one where sensible people will recommend at least 4x the VRAM amount compared to what you were testing with - at that point, the total bandwidth to your storage becomes the bottleneck. Try running models that are just slightly bigger than the amount of VRAM you're using and these tricks become quite essential, for a significantly more manageable hit on performance.
Re:Qwen3.5: Towards Native Multimodal Agents by doctorpangloss on Monday February 16, 2026 @01:38PM (#47038507)
Simply and utterly impossible to tell in any objective way without your own calibration data, in which case, make your own post trained quantized checkpoints anyway. That said, millions of people out there make technical decisions on vibes all the time, and has anything bad happened to them? I suppose if it feels good to run smaller quantizations, do it haha.