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Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by mmustapic on Friday February 13, 2026 @04:35AM (#47000808)
I also live in Europe and tip, specially if I know that the salary of the staff heavily depends on tips. Also, if the service wasn’t great, I also tip, maybe they weren’t having a good day, like when I’m not that productive some day at my coding job.

If I ever find the system too unfair for the workers, then I won’t go to those restaurants anymore.

Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by sorenjan on Friday February 13, 2026 @05:32AM (#47001175)
> I also live in Europe and tip, specially if I know that the salary of the staff heavily depends on tips.

> If I ever find the system too unfair for the workers, then I won’t go to those restaurants anymore.

Sounds like you only tip once at each restaurant then? Not paying a reasonable salary to employees and assuming they'll beg customers for extra money to make up the difference seems unfair to me.

Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by mmustapic on Friday February 13, 2026 @07:33AM (#47001984)
I can't say if it's unfair or not. I would prefer every worker to get a decent salary, but no idea how they feel in countries where tipping is widespread like the US. But, if I go to a restaurant in the US, or, Argentina (where tipping is also a thing), then I'll tip, and consider the price of the food to be 10, 15 or 20% more expensive. Otherwise, I won't go, because then I am complicit with the exploitation of the workers.
Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by account42 on Friday February 13, 2026 @08:20AM (#47002388)
The only reason they don't get a full salary is because people keep paying the difference with tips.
Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by mmustapic on Friday February 13, 2026 @08:30AM (#47002485)
No, it's because of crappy labor laws
Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by account42 on Friday February 13, 2026 @08:41AM (#47002586)
Those laws are downstream from tipping culture.
Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by mmustapic on Friday February 13, 2026 @09:02AM (#47002817)
Could be, but the way to fix it is with labor laws.
Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by array_key_first on Friday February 13, 2026 @06:49PM (#47009477)
Incorrect, the reason they don't get a full salary is because tipping is allowed.

If you don't tip, the worker does not magically get a salary. How would they? No, they actually make less money.

This whole "well if you think about not tipping is actually giving them more money" thing is the purest and most refined form of cope I've ever seen. It obviously doesn't work like that. Maybe if everyone did it. But you just doing it does nothing.

You're 100% allowed to not tip. What you're NOT allowed to do is not tip and then somehow try to claim you're helping the worker. You're not. Like, objectively, you're not. That's just literally not true.

Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by GetTheFacts on Friday February 13, 2026 @07:39PM (#47009971)
Is that you, Mr. Pink?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utksPm6KgjU [NSFW]

Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by bjourne on Friday February 13, 2026 @05:30AM (#47001159)
Then give your excess money to a homeless person or donate it to Amnesty. We don't want or need the "pressured to tip" culture here.
Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by mmustapic on Friday February 13, 2026 @07:35AM (#47002006)
No, homeless people should not live from tips, they should be helped by the government. I live in Belgium and tip because I'm used to (I'm from Argentina) and I know the staff is happy when I do it.
Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by bjourne on Friday February 13, 2026 @01:30PM (#47005995)
And restaurant workers should be paid by their employers. If the goal is to spread happiness then, again, the homeless person trumps the employee.
Re:Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark pattern... by mmustapic on Friday February 13, 2026 @03:53PM (#47007676)
And they are in Europe, thanks to strong labour laws!