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Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by Cyph0n on Tuesday February 10, 2026 @03:36PM (#46966515)
> So far, the European citizens are very privacy senstive.

In some areas, sure - like GDPR.

In other areas, absolutely not - like chat control.

As another commenter pointed out, it seems as if government mandated privacy intrusion is OK, while violations by corporations are quickly shutdown. It’s like the opposite of how it works here in the US.

Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by joe_mamba on Tuesday February 10, 2026 @03:44PM (#46966625)
>it seems as if government mandated privacy intrusion is OK

Once you give people an outside boogieman(Putin, Trump, Covids, etc) or a self inflicted false flag crisis(surge in crime rates) to shake them up to their core and put the fear in them, you can then easily sell your intrusion of privacy in their lives as the necessary solution that protects them.

When you start lose control of your people because their standard of living has been going downhill for 2 decades and they realize the future prospects aren't any better so they hate you even more, you can regain control of them by rallying them up on your side in a us-versus-them mentality against external and internal aggressors you paint as the enemy. The media is your friend here. /s

Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by stoneforger on Tuesday February 10, 2026 @04:23PM (#46967118)
Amen to that.
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by Cyph0n on Tuesday February 10, 2026 @04:49PM (#46967394)
I agree 100%. Europe is just ahead of us for the time being, but our turn is soon approaching...
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by pseudony on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:37AM (#46972408)
You may say that, but last I checked, we don’t get stopped and shot in the streets by masked goons on government payrolls.
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by Cyph0n on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @06:26PM (#46982699)
Sure, but I am talking about government-mandated surveillance through legislation.

Also, your police aren’t afraid to go the extra mile to quash dissent. Look at what’s happening in the UK for example with Palestine Action. The only difference is that they are less armed and better trained.

Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by s1mplicissimus on Saturday February 14, 2026 @07:41AM (#47014132)
Remember how UK is not a part of the EU anymore for about a decade by now?
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by Cyph0n on Saturday February 14, 2026 @05:36PM (#47019116)
Pedantry at its finest. The UK is European and you know it - regardless of the technicalities.

Since you’re a pedant, look at what Germany is doing in this same area.

Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by s1mplicissimus on Tuesday February 17, 2026 @08:05AM (#47047084)
Oh boy, did I hurt your feelings or something? If you call this pedantry, I'll gladly be a pedant in your perception. I'll call you ignorant in return though. And since you are an ignorant (notice how I can also take an adjective and ascribe it to your whole personhood?) you probably won't know what the difference between Europe and the European Union is anyway, so there's little hope for a fruitful discussion.
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by Archelaos on Tuesday February 10, 2026 @05:07PM (#46967635)
> chat control

The Danish proposal for indiscriminate chat control did not receive enough support and was retracted last autumn. Similar proposals have been put forward regularly over the past 30 years and have so far come to nothing just as regularly.

Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by joe_mamba on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @05:25AM (#46973266)
The problem is they will keep trying just like before, and they only need to get lucky once to succeed, while we need to be lucky very single time.
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by bigfudge on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @06:20AM (#46973601)
This is a truism, but not that helpful. I have to be lucky every time I leave the house not to be murdered, but it doesn't substantially change my behaviour. Rather than freaking out or catastrophising we just need to focus on asserting and celebrating and educating citizens in our shared values (murdering is bad, privacy is important).
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by Nasrudith on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @07:44AM (#46974258)
Nah, I think in this metaphor we need to lock up Mr.Stabby McStabFace instead of just allowing him to go without punishment for his repeated efforts to legalize face-stabbing.
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by Archelaos on Tuesday February 10, 2026 @05:11PM (#46967683)
> chat control

The Danish proposal for indiscriminate chat control did not receive enough support and was retracted last autumn. Similar proposals have been put forward regularly over the past 30 years and have so far come to nothing just as regularly.

For the conservative (and sometimes not so conservative) non-experts things like this sound like an easy win. So every new generation of politicians has to be educated about it again.

Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by supermatt on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:26AM (#46971950)
> like chat control.

That has never been passed in any form.

> the opposite of how it works here in the US.

It appears that you have conveniently forgotten about FISA, EARN IT, CLOUD act, PATRIOT act, LAED, etc, etc.

Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by hactually on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:37AM (#46972026)
Re:Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun by supermatt on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @09:56AM (#46975729)
It hasn’t been passed in that “voluntary” form either.