Thank you. This is more reasonable way of phrasing this. That said, it is almost completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. Is it acceptable for you if I simply do not engage or am I obligated to offer a personal value statement as if I were an embassy representative?

I am not making fun of you. I treat words very seriously. I also treat them seriously enough to not direct every conversation to my pet cause ( whatever it may be ).

You can ignore or whatever, but the framing of this as a vitriolic outburst from people instead of what should be an obvious call to action for their countrymen is the problem, when you choose not to engage you effectively endorse the outcome of totalitarianism.

May I suggest that what may appear obvious to you, is anything but obvious to others? May I suggest that other people may not share your values, your priorities, your constraints, or your willingness to engage. Just from those alone, you should be able to gather that telling people something is obvious is not the most endearing way to capture their attention. You might capture it, but not in the way you might imagine.

And all this is before we even to get to the meaty part as to whether the people you are trying to convince are convinced something is a problem. So far, all I really see is posture and hand-wringing.

You wanna say something? Say it.

People are being shot that are interfering with said federal agents. Absolute excessive use of force but it’s stupid to present this as if there isn’t an easy way to avoid it.

Ah yes, lick the boot even harder and then maybe you will get some respite. This version of events you present has no connection with reality.

My dude.. have you considered the possibility that some people on this very forum have voted for this actual very thing you are complaining about? I am not even passing judgment, but merely stating a fact. If anything, your comment shows severe disconnect from the societal mood.

Making me laugh here.

How would you not consider that fact? Do you think I don't know there's plenty of people who think of HN as a nazi bar? Do you think the hacker ethos is to consider the "societal mood"?

Im talking about what has been reported. Who has been shot that wasn’t resisting/interfering?