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Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by alephnerd on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:25AM (#46856383)
The EU has the capacity, but will be working closely with other partners like India, Japan, South Korea, Israel, Vietnam, and the UAE as capital and/or technology partners.

For example, Eutelsat - which is providing the backbone for GOVSATCOM and IRIS2 - is a three-way partnership between India's Bharti Group (Sunil Mittal), the French, and the UK. Or GCAP where Japan's Mitsubishi Group is acting as both a technology and capital partner to Italy and the UK.

This was also a major driver behind the EU-India Defense Pact and the EU-Vietnam Comprehensive Strategic Partnership - both of which were overshadowed by the EU-India FTA.

A multilateral organization like the EU has the muscle to integrate and cooperate with other partners, which is something that shouldn't be underestimated, as this builds resilience via redundancy.

Edit: Interesting how this is the second time [0] in the past few weeks where an HN comment I wrote that was optimistic about the EU's capacity was downvoted. There's a reason the PRC is still conducting industrial espionage on EU institutions [1].

[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46696996

[1] - https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2026/01/14/...

Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by Fnoord on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:29AM (#46857919)
> Interesting how this is the second time [0] in the past few weeks where an HN comment I wrote that was optimistic about the EU's capacity was downvoted.

Nothing new there, but I wouldn't assume Chinese bot army being behind it. The Russians, American MAGA, European alt-right each have an interest in such suppression (and RU and USA also conduct industrial espionage on EU). You may assume each of these parties is present in a thread about European sovereignty, but either way the mods discourage any discussion about moderation. You're best off emailing one of them.

Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by alephnerd on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:38AM (#46858011)
Absolutely, but negating and distracting from the fact that EU governments have been publicly calling out Chinese disinfo ops [0][1] over the past 2-3 years to a degree not seen since Russia began hybrid warfare against the EU in the 2010s is unneccesary.

[0] - https://www.defense.gouv.fr/desinformation/nos-analyses-froi...

[1] - https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/nieuws/2024/10/nederlandse...

Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by sajithdilshan on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:23PM (#46858550)
But then again it won't be sovereign. EU has been doing the same with US companies and now they are switching US for a different country/countries
Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by alephnerd on Monday February 02, 2026 @02:46PM (#46860366)
Sovereignty doesn't mean autarky - it means having the capacity to pivot should a black swan event arise.

The EU is a transnational bloc that has had experience helping it's member states find niches of competitive advantage and take full advantage of that.

Germany doesn't need to fully replicate Denmark's biopharma pipeline nor does Denmark have the need to fully replicate Germany's nuclear submarine IP because both can and have continued to coexist with each other and build resilience through additonal partnerships which prevent one from dominating the other.

This is the modus operandi of EU soverignity - integrate players into following a set of collective norms and aligning each other's incentives with the larger collective.

This is why EU's grand strategy incorporates the industrial base of other regional powers like Japan, SK, India, Vietnam, Canada, Australia, UAE, Israel, etc because it increasingly aligns all these regional powers against domination from either the US or China.

Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by baklavaEmperor on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:35PM (#46858711)
If trust is the constraint, Israel’s track record makes it an odd choice for EU sovereign systems.
Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by alephnerd on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:49PM (#46858881)
France and Israel have been collaborating on defense technology for decades - it was France that helped Israel become a nuclear power [0]. There are similar collaborations with Czechia [1], Estonia [2], Lithuania [3], Romania [4] and Germany [5].

Additionally, Israel has a defense pact with Greece and Cyprus to protect them against Turkish aggression [6], which is more than what other EU states are providing to Greece and Cyprus.

This is why Israel is a critical part of the EU's multilateral defense fabric - Eastern Mediterranean and CEE EU member states are already close partners with Israel.

[0] - https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000271219.pdf

[1] - https://www.czdefence.cz/clanek/cesko-izraelska-spoluprace-v...

[2] - https://vm.ee/sites/default/files/documents/2025-09/Israel%2...

[3] - https://www.gov.cy/proedros-proedria/koini-diakiryxi-tis-10i...

[4] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/romania-b...

[5] - https://www.iai.co.il/israel-aerospace-industries-announces-...

[6] - https://www.gov.cy/proedros-proedria/koini-diakiryxi-tis-10i...

Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by lava_pidgeon on Monday February 02, 2026 @01:05PM (#46859087)
I like your post as it offers me new insights.

1.) not all cee countries are pro-israel. Especially Poland as the biggest country there is rather anti - Israel. 2.) Most European countries and almost eu countries are part of NATO. Thus Greece is protected by Article 5. In addition there is Article 42 from the EU. In a.potential Cyprus - Greece - Turkey Eu has more to offer than Israel military wise.

Re:EU launches government satcom program in sovereignty push by alephnerd on Monday February 02, 2026 @03:05PM (#46860676)
> not all cee countries are pro-israel

Enough are though, and the EU is robust enough to support dissent between states. The Baltics will gladly take anyone's support against Russian aggression.

> Thus Greece is protected by Article 5

Cyprus is not protected by Article 5 as it's NATO assension has been blocked by Turkiye. And Greece has been Cyprus' defense guaranteer since independence in 1960. Any attack on Cyprus is an attack on Greece as both Greeks and Cypriots are the same ethnic group and deeply tied economically, socially, and militarily.

> In addition there is Article 42 from the EU. In a.potential Cyprus - Greece - Turkey Eu has more to offer than Israel military wise

Cyprus and Greece cannot count on Article 42 as Turkiye has strong defense and commercial ties with Spain [0] and Italy [1], which leads to a timid EU response as was seen in 2024 during the Greek-Turkish naval standoff [5].

As such, Greece+Cyprus have turned to trilateral treaties with France [2], Israel, and India [3][4] as a fallback.

This is why Israel has been included in EU defense deals and partnerships - it provides a large portion of the EU defense cover while allowing the EU to bypass inter-EU conflicts.

[0] - https://www.cats-network.eu/publication/despite-the-eu-spain...

[1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/turkey-italy-continue-strength...

[2] - https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFSCTA000045174545

[3] - https://geetha.mil.gr/kyklos-synomilion-staff-talks-kai-ypog...

[4] - https://www.gov.cy/proedros-proedria/koini-diakiryxi-gia-tin...

[5] - https://www.ekathimerini.com/politics/foreign-policy/1245478...