You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government. It doesn't make you "cool."
> But you couldn't pay me to go there.
Of course we could. Aside from that this mentality always shocks me. There are more civilians in the US than government agents. What were you expecting when you got here? It's madness..
> One man's terrorist...
Is another mans freedom fighter. Sure, fine, if you want a civil war. Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for? Unless you particularly enjoy digging graves for your friends.
It certainly is, but one side doesn't seem to think so.
I think you're both being manipulated by cynical people who have extensive access to the media that you do not.
Seems far more likely, no?
The mentally-ill are running the asylum and executing citizens. No matter what crazy shit the gop/tea party/maga have accused the left of NONE of it came to pass until they themselves were in power.
The administration WANTS a civil war; they’re ensuring one happens.
If you’re against owning guns, you’re in for a world of hurt. So buckle-up butter cup, shit is gonna be insane soon.
The the natural outcome should be rebellion. Why would it be civil war? Do you presume that the "other half" completely agree with Trump and would literally fight you to the death over it? You bandy about these terms as if you do not understand their true meaning.
> The administration WANTS a civil war
So you're going to play exactly into that? Why on earth would you give your "enemy" precisely what they seem to want? You can't detect the manipulation here?
> you’re in for a world of hurt
One of us is.
So yes, there certainly would be some level of civil war.
It would be wishful thinking it would only be the people rising up against the government. If we had any level of that type unification then we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.
That's your opinion, I don't necessarily share it.
> It doesn't make you "cool."
What made you think that I thought it looked cool. I just realize that at some point play time is over.
> Of course we could.
No, you can't. And the fact that you think you can is interesting. 'No' means 'No'. You can not pay me to go to the United States, period. I have lived on the border for years and have friends there, already missed a funeral. It isn't going to happen until sanity returns and frankly I don't see that happening in the next decade or two so most likely I will never go back there.
> Aside from that this mentality always shocks me.
What shocks you? That people abroad look at the USA and evaluate their options? What's so shocking about that?
> There are more civilians in the US than government agents.
Indeed, and a good chunk voted for this and I can't easily tell them apart.
> What were you expecting when you got here?
Well, the last time I went it cost me a couple of really good boots. Who knows what it will cost me next time?
> It's madness..
Yes, but it is not my madness and I don't have to factor in ICE into my daily affairs. As a visitor into the United States that would be a major factor, as many people have already found out, which you seem to conveniently skip over. I don't visit places where the rule of law is that shaky.
> Is another mans freedom fighter. Sure, fine, if you want a civil war.
No, I don't want a civil war. But I can't stand by idly while people are oppressed by their government and that makes it much better for me not to be exposed to such situations. Countries I will not visit: Russia, China, United States, Iran, North Korea, most of Africa, quite a few more countries in Asia. Countries that I would reluctantly visit: Most of Latin America, probably some others. Countries that I'm happy to visit: all of the EU, some countries bordering the EU, Japan, Australia, New Zealand.
> Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for?
Have you watched the news recently? I think it is pretty clear what the civilized side is in these conflicts.
> Unless you particularly enjoy digging graves for your friends.
No, I don't enjoy that. But my friends that have died in one particular struggle did so in the firm belief that what they were doing was just and right and I share their belief. I'm old enough to realize that if you don't stand up when it matters then you're just as bad as the rest.
Germany had a good chance to stand up to fascism and blew it. If fascists take over where I live or nearby you can count me in to be on the other side. I've read my grandmothers' diaries and I have written about that before, it is a stark reminder of what happens as soon as the gestapo starts doing the rounds.
Due the inability to reply to your comment for some inexplicable and perplexing reason I’ve carried it here. Perhaps you can cite a list of all of the legal immigrants and US citizens “swept” off the streets. Then compare that list to the list of illegal alien criminals removed from the country. Yes, I am grateful for an administration that actually removes illegal alien sex offenders, PDF’s and murders from our streets. Why aren’t you? Or do you consider these people a critical part of your voting base?
As for the list, do you think this DHS compiles a list of its fuckups and publishes it? I can get you some news articles if you’d like.
This really is just domestic terrorism, only the government is the one doing the terrorizing.
They are literally pulling people out of judicial hearings, where the people are trying to comply with the law, and throwing them on airplanes without due process. Or just randomly snatching people off the streets with no probable cause including the occasional US citizen based on their (ancestors) national origin.
Seriously, my step-father's family became US citizens as a result of the Mexican-American War and the federal courts say it's probable cause to detain them based on their physical appearance. Like, WTF???
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Just remembered my grandmother saying she didn't teach her children Spanish because she didn't want them to grow up with and accent because she was literally beat if she spoke Spanish in school. True, this was 100 years ago but still...
It's never just a simple leftist. It's never just a regular centrist dude who thinks things might be a little aggressive.
It's always {extreme adjective} far left.
Everything has to be superlative.
One can both believe that immigration policy is broken and also that the current way it's being enforced is immoral and unlawful. I took the same oath to the constitution when I joined the military as they did when they went into federal service and can see when when things are going off the rails.
My eulogy should be: "U.S. Paratrooper, Decorated Combat Veteran, Crazy Far Left Agitator"
You are all over this thread spouting your crap, I highly doubt that anything at all will change your mind. But you sound scared of protests, and you seem to believe that the attackers are the defenders and the other way around. One day the attackers will come for you, and by then there will be nobody left to defend you.
So if you are against the terrorists, you are also a terrorist.
Trump and ICE are at war with a middle aged mother and a VA nurse. And they're doing all this in Minneapolis because the gangs in LA scared them off.
This was done despite multiple reports of the military officers who studied the problem and stated that the Japanese pose no threat, are often US patriots, and need not be isolated.
Imagine Russia interning everyone of Ukrainian descent up to third generation because of the war, and everybody be like "Well, fine, they are doing a reasonable thing, let them go on".
They can then after the fact come down on that person without having to get facial recognition, grab cellphone beacons, or other similar steps.