You seem to not believe they’re murdering people without justification, so there’s no common ground to be had. You will likely always believe their lethal force is justified, regardless of facts, so we are at an impasse.

The two most recent events were both taped, both seemed to be justified in using force. If a tape comes out where someone is killed and they're not fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car, then I'll agree that it wasn't justified.

I believe evidence and what I see.

It's funny, I'm old enough to remember stuff like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-documentary-eli-n-re...

Remember that? When they shoved an MP5 in the face of a 6 year old boy to deport him? Yet relatively little uproar compared to recent events where they're actually deporting or fighting criminals.

> The two most recent events were both taped, both seemed to be justified in using force. If a tape comes out where someone is killed and they're not fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car, then I'll agree that it wasn't justified.

Resisting an ICE agent is not a lawful use of lethal force. If you believe it is, you are mistaken and you are free to speak with a legal professional to update your mental model on the topic. Again, we are likely at an impasse based on your belief system (as your statements make it clear you are not speaking from a place of factual evidence based on recent incidents ie "fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car").

The video in this example shows a citizen being held down and executed by ICE agents. The video also shows he was disarmed before the first shot was fired. Multiple angles are available for review. I am unwilling to argue facts.

Do you know how they died? Here’s some reporting on the people who died (the ones listed on that page): https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/10/ice-deaths-assa...

Kinda deflates things a bit, don’t you think? Seems like cancer and COVID are the real killers over the last two decades.