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Re:Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapoli... by toomuchtodo on Saturday January 24, 2026 @01:07PM (#46745936)
And when you're unlawfully murdered, you have no recourse. They do not care what you tell them, and if you don't resist, you're potentially dead anyway. They have arrested lawful immigrants and citizens, and held them illegally, in some cases for weeks or months.

"Comply and you might get lucky and survive" is not a life safety strategy. I'm unsure where this idea to not resist someone who is very likely to kill you without cause (based on all of the evidence and observations to date) is coming from to be frank.

Why ICE Can Kill With Impunity - https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ | https://archive.today/gMFRS - January 15th, 2026 ("Over the past decade, US immigration agents have shot and killed more than two dozen people. Not a single agent appears to have faced criminal charges.")

(own firearms, have taken firearm training, still aware never to trust law enforcement)

Re:Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapoli... by dismalaf on Saturday January 24, 2026 @04:16PM (#46747748)
Over the last decade 2 dozen ICE agents have been killed... Is it more acceptable to just expect agents to be killed and not defend themselves?

https://www.ice.gov/topics/eow

Re:Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapoli... by toomuchtodo on Saturday January 24, 2026 @04:26PM (#46747847)
You seem to not believe they’re murdering people without justification, so there’s no common ground to be had. You will likely always believe their lethal force is justified, regardless of facts, so we are at an impasse.
Re:Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapoli... by dismalaf on Saturday January 24, 2026 @05:16PM (#46748277)
The two most recent events were both taped, both seemed to be justified in using force. If a tape comes out where someone is killed and they're not fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car, then I'll agree that it wasn't justified.

I believe evidence and what I see.

It's funny, I'm old enough to remember stuff like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-documentary-eli-n-re...

Remember that? When they shoved an MP5 in the face of a 6 year old boy to deport him? Yet relatively little uproar compared to recent events where they're actually deporting or fighting criminals.

Re:Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapoli... by toomuchtodo on Saturday January 24, 2026 @05:20PM (#46748313)
> The two most recent events were both taped, both seemed to be justified in using force. If a tape comes out where someone is killed and they're not fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car, then I'll agree that it wasn't justified.

Resisting an ICE agent is not a lawful use of lethal force. If you believe it is, you are mistaken and you are free to speak with a legal professional to update your mental model on the topic. Again, we are likely at an impasse based on your belief system (as your statements make it clear you are not speaking from a place of factual evidence based on recent incidents ie "fighting ICE agents or hitting them with a car").

The video in this example shows a citizen being held down and executed by ICE agents. The video also shows he was disarmed before the first shot was fired. Multiple angles are available for review. I am unwilling to argue facts.

Re:Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapoli... by drewbug01 on Saturday January 24, 2026 @04:35PM (#46747944)
Do you know how they died? Here’s some reporting on the people who died (the ones listed on that page): https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/10/ice-deaths-assa...

Kinda deflates things a bit, don’t you think? Seems like cancer and COVID are the real killers over the last two decades.

Re:Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapoli... by rolph on Saturday January 24, 2026 @03:38PM (#46747410)
cops are most deceptive when they are smiling, even if it seems like an aside comment, when that big fake smile is there, they are trying to soft extract something from you [P.E.A.C.E.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEACE_method_of_interrogation